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In the linked thread -

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1252&KW=in dex+coat

there is a great description of the Leupold "Index Matched" glass coating method.

 

My question concerns how this differs from the "Multicoat" method they use on their mid-priced scopes and whether a mere mortal can tell the difference between two otherwise identical Leupold scopes; one with Index Match coated glass and one with Multicoat glass?

 

Surprisingly, one of their Mark 4 scopes; the Mark 4 PR 3-9x40mm scope uses the Multicoat method, unlike every other Mark 4 scope, which all use the Index Match coating.  Will I be forever tormented by the "inferior" coating, or will I not notice the difference?  (For what its worth, the only Leupold scope I currently own, a fixed power FXIII 6x42mm scope has the Index Match coating and it is one helluva scope, but then I don't have any Multicoat scope to compare against...)

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Pre Indexed matched Leupold scopes as not as bright and clear as the new index matched scopes.

I could tell the difference right away, the PR 3-9 is the worst optical example of a leupold tactical scope.

The rest of the PR and Mark 4 line-up make up for this model but are overpriced compared to other scopes

IMO. With Leupold the key to a succesfull Leupold purchase is not not pay full price for any scope made by

leupold and understand that you will be sacrificing the optical advatage even at a discount price compared to

other scopes. What you do get with Leupold is a accurate movement and a great warranty, leupold scopes

are also lighter and more compact than alot of other scope brands.

 

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Most of the statements made regarding coatings are BS.  The higher the price, the better the coatings.  Look through the scopes for yourself and make a decision.  My eyes are not good enough to tell the difference between these high priced scopes, but I agree, with SVD666, the Leupolds are overpriced.  I always go back to my usual recommendations:  Bushnell Elite 4200s and the Sightron SIIs.
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Index-Matched Coatings are simply newer and better coatings that Leupoold came up with.  Under any less than optimal conditions, you will see the difference between Index-Matched and Multicoat.

The rest of the Leupold sales pitch there (in case you are wondering, Chris did not write it, that is simply an exerpt from how Leupold described their new coatings), is basically a very rough overview of how every coating system is developed.  Leupold was simply the first company to shamelessly use this particular reworded common knowledge as a sales pitch.

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I get quite a kick out of how Leupold describes this process as if other manufactures apply coatings in the dark with a paintbrush and hope for the best. You have to admit, to Leupold's credit, that to the average reader it would appear that the process is patent worthy and that the future of all competitor scopes is bleak and unworthy.
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Leupold makes good scopes (albeit a little overpriced).  what really diiferentiates them from the competition though is their marketing department.  They've got some real creative people there.

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I went on a plant tour a few years back. This plant made speakers, microphones, and amps. While on the tour the manufacturing engineer showed us their microphones. They offered a standard grade, titanium grade, and diamond grade. The standard grade was $99.99, the titanium grade was $139.99, and the diamond grade was 169.99.

 

Someone spoke up and asked the engineer what kind of sound quality difference the different coatings made. His reply was NONE. He also said that they sold twice as much of the titanium grade, because most people didnít want the cheapest one, and most people didnít have to have the top of the line. The cost of the coatings were (titanium grade was $5.00, and the diamond grade was $7.00.)

 

I think this is the same in scopes. I have around 20 scopes and all of them are clear enough to do the job.

 

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I disagree with the statement that there is no difference between scopes.  There is a difference, and that difference is observable and measurable.  Whether that difference is important for your application or not, that's a personal choice.  99.9% of us would be perfectly happy with any of the decent midrange scopes in the $200-$600 range. 

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Iím not saying that there is NO difference, but it is so minimal in most cases that itís a waste of money. The difference between a Leupold VXII for $300.00, and a S&B for $1500.00 is $1200 in cash, not value.

 

I havenít been able to hit targets at 600 yards with my new Leupold VXIII any better than with my 25+ year old Weaver T-16. The difference is the ease of use between the two.

 

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To you or me, there is not enough difference in value.  To me, VX-3 is not worth the money either, for tha matter, since you can get a siilar.better scope for less money.

To other people, and I know quite a few, it is absolutely worth the money.  As I said, it is a personal preference.

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Originally posted by buck buck wrote:

Iím not saying that there is NO difference, but it is so minimal in most cases that itís a waste of money. The difference between a Leupold VXII for $300.00, and a S&B for $1500.00 is $1200 in cash, not value.

 

I havenít been able to hit targets at 600 yards with my new Leupold VXIII any better than with my 25+ year old Weaver T-16. The difference is the ease of use between the two.

Buck,  

 

Hello Buck

 

I prefer great construction and nice clear glass with a quality reticle and movement.

I also like to see what I am shooting at well in low to no light. This is a personel choice

for me therfore I do not mind spending over $1000 for a scope. As with everything I do

and prefer in life I am always looking to advance and optimize my passions.

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I to have spent $600-700 on scopes, but in hindsight I think I wasted a lot of money. I do agree that in low light conditions better optics are more important. One thing most hunters donít realize is that a larger objective, and turning the power down at dusk will help much more than a high dollar coating.

 

I am also guilty of paying more for the better glass, then having to add a shade because the scope gathers so much light it looks hazy during the sunlight hours, which kind of defeats the purpose.

 

To each his own, but my purpose was to prevent someone from wasting their hard earned money.

 

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When I first started buying scopes in my teens my first scope was a Tac Vari-XIII an a civilian issue PSO-1. I later tried many mid-priced scopes and got a good feel of the pro's and cons of each brand. For a while I was only buying Mark 4's and they were accurate and very well made scopes but I always felt like something was missing. Most recently I spend most of my time with the Euro's and have came to admire the total package they offer. I sold most of my scopes and ended up with only a few now that I truly love and appreciate. My opinion now is that it is better to have a few great scopes than alot of good ones. After My sales I actually ended up with extra money.

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Hard to argue with that logic.
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I use to be part of the Leupold cult but I have moved on to better scopes.

Admitting this is the first step in scope rehab, if any of you are former

members of Leupold cult or would like to move on to better scopes please

feel free to post your thoughts or your first expieriences in this brave new

optics world we live in.

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I shall, being a former member of the Leupold fan club, I was pleasantly surprised by the B&L 4000 that I bought back in the mid nineties. I normally take what I read with a grain of salt, however, after reading a review by David Petzel I decided to give one of these a try. Well, it was everything he said it was and more. That scope still sits on a custom 06 that has been to Sask. several times and is performing like new to this day. Between the 4000/4200 series of scopes, I currently own 6 of them. Great glass, very rugged and track perfectly. I am not saying that Leupold's are bad, I just believe that they have rested on their laurels for a long time and their current success is largely based on brand loyalty, customer service and excellent marketing.  
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Finn, last time you posted you said you had 5, I thought.  Did you buy another?  I am telling you.  I own only one and love.  I can't wait to buy more.  One other thing and I cannot remember who mentioned it, but they were right.  Every time, in the past, I have opened a scope or optic made in China, there was always that funk, that came out of the box.  I have never noticed that smell with any of my scopes from Japan, America or my Burris FFII from the "Philipiones", if ya'll remember that thread.
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I have 5 that are mounted on rifles and one brand new 2.5-10 x40 FireFly that is getting lonely. You know what to do when you open a "box" that  smells bad don't you? Run!!!
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I am going to go into more detail about the Leupold cult and its members and no it is not as pleseant as bieng in the Starbucks club.

When I was in the cult I felt like I was brainwashed, there was no better scope in the world than a Leupold. I felt like I was supporting my

country and my family tradition. I would look throgh my buddies scopes and my aliegance would not allow me to see the crystal clear

resolution and features of thier scopes. I was in denial. It took numerous Leupold price increases to finally wake me up and break this

life and money sucking spell. I saw the false reality of the Leupold cult when I was making shots and picking up details that I would have never

done with a Leupold. I do have to admit Leupold has some of the most charasmatic cult members such as rootmanslim but the end is a tragic

one in this journey and the path is dark(especialy in low light).

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I should put together some of the nonsense I've read about Leupold scopes and their cult members. For instance, "Leupold scopes have the best eyebox". "Leupold uses real diamonds on their lense coatings." "Nobody makes brighter scopes than Leupold, except, maybe Zeiss". "I buy Leupold cause I can put at target turret on them". "My Leupold scope (a FX3 6x42) is brighter than my Leica Trinovds". "I can see 22 cal. bullet holes at 300 yrds with my 6x42 Leupold".

 

I am not making this up. I could go on forever with the drug induced BS I hear about Leupold. My latest favorte are the guys buying Leupold Rifleman and VX-1's and sending them to Leupold to put a $140 target turret on them, sometimes two.

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Leupolds have lost something -

 

is it that they have bumped their prices up without a quality boost?

 

or are they outsourcing stuff now?  it seems to be an inferior product, when it used to

be the standby.  any thoughts?

 

i just see much better scopes for much better prices.

 

J

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Optics competition is stiff now days more than ever, there is no time allowed for a company to sit back

and rely on reputation alone to compete in todays market. It has come down to put out or sit down and

watch. The consumer is smarter than ever in this field and the demand for quality is on the rise. Leupold is

is very close to bieng kicked off the bench in this game to make room for Gatorade, Leupolds VX-7 is going

to be the deciding factor on wether or not Leupold could be considered a option and by the preview it is

starting to look like it might be a B effort.

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