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I'm looking for a scope to use on an AR for 100-300 yds from the bench.  Sick of all the zillion options at $$$$ prices and everything else.  I'm sure it may be worth it for those a bit more serious than me.  I want a good clear scope that won't break the bank.  If I don't like it, I'll sell it and upgrade
 
Anyway, I was looking at the Leupold European series.  I'm not big on variable eye relief and these seem to be better than other Leupold options.  I was considering the VXIII 2.5-8, but the eye relief varies 1"!  I'm looking at the Euro 2-7X33: http://swfa.com/Leupold-2-7x33-European-30mm-Riflescope-P3657.aspx 
 
Are the Euros good Leupold scopes?
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From looking at the specs, they are just VX2 optically with a 30mm tube with a big jump in price over the vx2.  That is where the European name comes from.  Instead of the regular 1 inch tube like most Leupold hunting scopes they added a 30mm tube to appease the masses and make people think they are getting a European quality scope.

For the money, this would be a much better choice.  Better optics and only .3 inches of variable eye relief.  http://swfa.com/Vortex-2-7x32-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P10818.aspx

This would make another fine choice for an AR>  I have this scope and it is a dandy, one of my favorites.  http://swfa.com/Sightron-125-5x20-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P9152.aspx


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My eyes ain't too hot, and I'm wondering if the 7x-8X or more is the best to go for.  I'm willing to spend up to $450.  I'm sure the Vortex is great but I think I'd like to get a scope that's a notch above. I was also considering the Bushnell 2.5-10 Elite 4200 or the Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x44.  
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Notch above?  Vortex Viper competes directly against Elite 4200, and I would take both of them over a Nikon Monarch.

All that having been said, if your budget is under $450, one of these will work well for you: Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40, Minox ZA-3 3-9x40, Meopta MeoPro 3-9x42.  I just compared these:

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While I like the Leupold VX-3 line of scopes, and own a few, I have to agree with supertool on this one.
Just a re-badge of a 1'' scope stuffed into a 30mm tube, at a VX-3 price premium.

Also the scope brand he recommends are in the price range you are willing to spend.

I read Ilya;s review last night, and it is something you might want to read.
His reviews are well received on the forum. I treat them a gospel when I'm researching different scope manufactures wares.
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Just to clarify.  All the scopes listed are a good notch or two above that particular Leupold you listed.  I would be all over the Meopta or Conquest 3-9x if you have that to spend.  They should serve you well.
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Thanks all for the great advice.  And thanks for the great write ups, Koshkin. 
 
I'm putting this on an AR than will spend most of it's time on the bench.  Yes, the endless, and increadibly expensive options for tactical are endless.  At this time this is what I can afford, and I need more than 4x.  I don't need a BDC reticle.  If I change my mind, I'll sell and upgrade.  Like I said, I just need a good reticle, nice clear glass and it to hold zero.  Don't worry about close in, I have BYUIS, and I'll probably get a side mount with a Burris FastFire or the like.
 
Anyway, back on topic.  If Meopta or Zeiss Conquest will have better glass than I'll go that way.  The crosshairs of the Z Plex seem a little thick until they narrow down to the center.  The meopta w/ a #4 reticle sounds like it would be better, but I can't help but wonder about the longevity and quality of Meopta.  They're just unknown to me, and I don't know how they are made, etc.  What say you?  Thanks.
 
PS: Please recommend a good AR mount for theseBig Smile
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Burris PEPR for the mount.
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I have ran a meopta on a semi auto 7mm for several years and it has held up just fine.  It survived about 30 heavy 45-70 rounds before i moved it to the 7mm as well.  I am sure it will be just fine on a AR.
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The Meopta may be the best way to go, as I can get the #4 reticle, where as the Zeiss charges $100 extra for it.  I like what I'm reading about the Meopta as well.  -
 
I'll bet the Burris mount is great, but I think it's 30mm, and these scopes are 1".  Do they have inserts? 
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they have both a 1" and 30mm availible.
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Burris AR-P.E.P.R. 1 Burris AR-P.E.P.R. 1" Scope Mount
Stock # - 410343
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Thanks, SVT.
 
Koshkin,
In another thread you said that you'd take the Meostar over the Conquest (if eye relief wasn't an issue).  May I ask you to elaborate?  I think the 3.75" of ER for AR use is probably plenty (especially since it's very close to the conquest's 4" ER).  The conquest just has hundreds of 10 out of 10 reviews all over the place.  That has caught my eye. 
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the 4x acogs only have 1.5 inches of eye relief and are use on AR a lot.  So 3.75 will be more than you need.  My bushnell has 3.5 and I use it on a 6.8 spc which kicks harder than the .223 and I have no problems.

You are probably just going to be splitting hairs between those two scopes.  Both will be a good choice.


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Originally posted by Extended Eye Relief Extended Eye Relief wrote:

Thanks, SVT.
 
Koshkin,
In another thread you said that you'd take the Meostar over the Conquest (if eye relief wasn't an issue).  May I ask you to elaborate?  I think the 3.75" of ER for AR use is probably plenty (especially since it's very close to the conquest's 4" ER).  The conquest just has hundreds of 10 out of 10 reviews all over the place.  That has caught my eye. 

I am on vacation righ tnow and my access to e-mail will be sporadic for a week or so.

Meostar has about 3 - 3.3 inches of eye relief.  These are very well made 30mm tube scopes.  Optically, I like them a touch more than Conquest, but not quite as much as IOR.

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Thanks again everyone for the great info.  The conquest's reputation is just too hard to beat.  It does have that 4" ER.  I don't shoot nose to charging handle.  I shoot a bit back.  The Burris AR-P.E.P.R will still work alright?
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it should be fine. ....  you can see there is still alot of room to move the PEPR back or even the scope back in the rings.  Yeah
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Out of curiosity, if I were going for a tactical scope and had around $800 to spend, what would you recommend?
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Good to know.  Thanks.
 
Anyway, I just spotted a great deal on a Leupold Mark 4 2.5-8x36 w/ mil dot reticle.  Would this be better glass than the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40?  Thanks. 
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No it would not have near as good of glass as the conquest.  If you are learning to a tactical scope now get the SWFS SS 3-9x42.  It will run circles around that Leupold.
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That's what I thought.  I can't seem to find anyone who has the Burris P.E.P.R. 1" in tock anywhere.  Any suggestions?
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I dont' know anythign in the price range of the PEPR that compares.... a set of high rings would be another option.  Let me check something i may have a spare 1" PEPR i can sell you.  PM to come
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I couldn't find a spare one, must have sold it or used it..... sorry
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