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Yippeehow does the durability of the current leupolds vx11 and vx3 compare to the older vari-x,vx11 and vx111? 
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They still carry a life time warranty and have a great customer service department.
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Leupold is Leupold.... Should be just fine, and improved glass.

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Is durability a question with any scope of decent quality?

In the Army, the first thing that was instilled (yes drilled and beat in to my head) GUARD OPTICS at all times.  I carried that over to my civilian hunting life, (I never used a scope before the Army), and have never had a problem.

The only time durablility was an issue, I was climbing a ladder to my seat very late in the evening in Germany for fox.  My sling snapped lose, my rifle fell (yes it was unloaded), and the mid section (action, scope, trigger area) landed on the only rock in the area. 

The next morning I took the scope off the rifle.  The rifle went to my smith, and the scope went to the place where I purchased it........NOTHING was wrongExcellent!!

They still let me exchange it, even admitting it was my fault for not checking the sling before I climed the ladder.  When I went back later to check out some binos, they had my old scope on sale as used, with the same guarentee as a new one.


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Leupold VX1 or the Rifleman are over priced and not durable.The Vari-X II and III  were on most of my Rifles in the 80's and did ok.I do think the older Vari series scopes were more durable or better made than the VX series.The VX was a tad clearer than the Vari scopes.Leupold service is good just stay away from the lower end models.
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Originally posted by Randall45 Randall45 wrote:


I do think the older Vari series scopes were more durable or better made than the VX series.


What makes you think this, Randall? 

According to Leupold, there have been mechanical improvements made to the VX3 vs previous generations, just as one example.  I don't believe there have been any changes in the basic mechanical design of the VX-II series, except replacing the old friction adjustments of the old Vari-X II to click adjustments.  But, I could be mistaken.
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The VX-II line were also multi-coated after a certain time. My Vari-XII's were not, clarity and "brightness" were bad and they are all buh bye because of that. They were very reliable, though. The friction adjustments always held.
 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Randall45 Randall45 wrote:


I do think the older Vari series scopes were more durable or better made than the VX series.


What makes you think this, Randall? 

According to Leupold, there have been mechanical improvements made to the VX3 vs previous generations, just as one example.  I don't believe there have been any changes in the basic mechanical design of the VX-II series, except replacing the old friction adjustments of the old Vari-X II to click adjustments.  But, I could be mistaken.
The VX3 is a nice scope,the VXII & VXIII were clearer than the Vari scopes but I had better luck with the older scopes holding up to my personal use like hunting and shooting.I do like the new VX3, just hope it can take the abuse like my Sightron Big Sky.
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Bad luck here with leupold.  had two.. a VXII and VXIII  on a 12 gauge slug gun and a .300 win mag.... both rifles were used for hunting and not babyed but were taken care of well...  both scopes failed after a few years... one the morning of a hunt
 
you will hear a lot about lifetime warranties and great customer service at leupold but if you have a scope that fails on a hunt warranties and nice people on the phone do not matter much....
 
You get what you pay for with glass, this I can tell you.  I went to S& B and swaro a few years back and have not had one problem with either of these brands...more expensive?  absolutely but now I do not worry if the scope will work when i am in the field.....
 
 
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thanks for the feed back any others?
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I'm not a big Leupold fan but the ones I had never gave me any problems. I believe there are better scopes out there for around the same money.
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I don't think there is such a thing as a scope that is immune to failure, regardless of price.  Name pretty much any scope that has been on the market for very long, and chances are pretty good someone out there has had one fail.
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Leupold is still building some great scopes their FX3 and VX3 and Mk4 lines are very nice, well built tough scopes.  Anything mechanical can fail but if you do have a problem arent you glad you dont have to send it overseas to get it fixed.  
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If I recall correctly, the Vari-X line was the last model that Leupold designed by hand - i.e., hand drawn blueprints. You have to remember that CAD came into widespread use in the early 1990's. With the availability of CAD / CAM, CNC mills, etc.; design and manufacturing got less expensive. If Leupold used those savings to increase the quality, that's a side benefit.

My 2 Leupolds are both early 1980's vintage: a Vari-X II 3-9X40 and a Vari-X III 2.5-8X32. I was happy with them when I bought them and haven't changed my mind.
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I have an old Vari X III 2,5-8x 36 with the #4 reticle. (it´s a 36, not a 32 you also got I guess?)
 
This scope has been with me for god knows how many years and seen use on two 375 H&H and two 338 Winmags. .
Two trips to South Africa and moose hunting  here in Norway without a single hick up.
It now tops my new Ruger Hawkeye in 375 Ruger and will come with me to Namibia next year Smile
 
 
I don´t know how the new ones stand up to use and abuse, but I have no reason to belive that todays Leupolds are inferior to the old ones.
For a scope on a hard working rifle, I would pick a Leupold in the VX3 line any day.
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agreed...but it is the frequency of failure that one tries to minimize...and the better scopes have a lesser frequency in my and most peoples experience.
 
 
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Originally posted by pcrage pcrage wrote:

...and the better scopes have a lesser frequency in my and most peoples experience.
 
 


Really?  Most people, huh?  How do you know this without having failure rate % data from all the manufacturers?  How do you define the vague term "better scope?"  Does only higher priced scopes qualify, or do you know the "better" ones by brand and model?  And how do you know what "most people" experience?  If someone else has had the opposite experience as you, does that mean they are wrong?

I'm not trying to bust your chops, but you see where I'm going with this?  Those types of anecdotal statements are exactly the way internet gossip spreads and flourishes.  Unless you've done some type of extensive study on scope failures there's no way you can really know much more than what you and a few others in your circle of friends have personally found.   And small sample sizes prove nothing.  You may have just been unlucky.  If I had bad experience with a product, I too would be unlikely or at least less likely to buy another, but in this case, we're not talking about an unproven product from a fly by night company.  There is a long history here.  I would have a hard time believing "most people" or even a large % of Leupold owners have had problems with their scopes, or the company wouldn't be able to maintain their reputation for very long.

I'm not defending Leupold, and in fact, I'm not really a Leupold fan.  I've personally seen problems with Leupolds, most notably a few canted reticles.  I know others have had this problem as well.  But, I have no way of knowing how prevalent this is.  I just don't think these types of generalities are helpful or honest.  There's nothing wrong with saying you've personally had bad experiences with a product; that is your own experience talking.  The reader can then weigh personal testimonies against what others have experienced and make an informed, calculated risk decision.  But, when you claim to speak for "most people," and know for a fact which scopes are "better" by whatever criteria (I'm assuming in terms of mechanical durability), that's being a bit presumptuous, don't you think?
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Originally posted by pcrage pcrage wrote:

agreed...but it is the frequency of failure that one tries to minimize...and the better scopes have a lesser frequency in my and most peoples experience.
 
 

you must not read much of what john barsness does then, even our own chris farris has experienced scope failures from "better" scopes.
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With any of the Leupold scopes I have ever used (which is considerable) I've never been concerned with durability as it has always been there. I have sent a few in to be repaired or looked over just to be safe, but they have served me well! When the time comes you think you need service they are there without any guff. We need to encourage more companies to make things here in the USA (even if the lenses are outsourced).
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Unfortunately, other than the aluminum components of their rifle scopes, the assembly of rifle scopes, and scope mounts, almost all of the remainder of Leupold's product are outsourced these days.  
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Unfortunately, other than the aluminum components of their rifle scopes, the assembly of rifle scopes, and scope mounts, almost all of the remainder of Leupold's product are outsourced these days.  

To be honest, that's one thing that I have the least problem with. If you write good contract specs, do proper QA, and enforce quality requirements, it doesn't matter where parts are made. Heck, the best CNC tools are built outside the US. You can find good machine shops all over the world. Frankly, it sounds like Leupold's biggest problem is the assembly step in the USA. The "canted reticle" problem sounds like a typical example.

On another note - all we have to work with is anecdotal reports. It's not like anybody is going to publish their highly confidential warranty rates or specific failure statistics. Anybody with access to that kind of info signs a Non-Disclosure Agreement. At best, we get better insight when a distributor says something like, "Beware this scope. Our return rate is high." God bless every distributor that mentions something like that.




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Originally posted by dhdoyle dhdoyle wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Unfortunately, other than the aluminum components of their rifle scopes, the assembly of rifle scopes, and scope mounts, almost all of the remainder of Leupold's product are outsourced these days.  

To be honest, that's one thing that I have the least problem with. If you write good contract specs, do proper QA, and enforce quality requirements, it doesn't matter where parts are made. Heck, the best CNC tools are built outside the US. You can find good machine shops all over the world.


You are 100% correct; it doesn't matter, from a product quality standpoint.  I work in a shop with over 150 of those CNC machines, primarily made in Japan.  However, as someone whose career is in manufacturing, I hate to see so much of our manufacturing ability leave the US.  It's not as if I don't understand the reasons why; it's just that it troubles me that we seem to be headed toward losing our ability to make things in this country.  I have no problem with buying goods made outside the US per se, but I do have a philosophical problem with my money supporting a Communist country who oppresses and murders its own citizens, and who has ICBMs in its arsenal aimed at us, whom it views as its main enemy.


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hey guys most of our politicians are lawyers so vote on non lawyers for a change. now lets get back on leupold durability. i have only used a limited number of scopes . but i am real hard on them . leupold held up ,others didn't. without optics talk i would just of got another leupold .but now i wonder if new ones are good as old ones. or others are better? 
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tough crowd...
 
Rifledude:
 
You must have missed my point...."better" scopes are those that are "better" and "better" means less failures (unless you have some other measure of better or worse)...there is internal logic in this..I am not picking a brand as worse or better...just stating that better scopes fail less.  Do you disagree with this?  You have concluded that I was criticizing Leupold and promoting a different brand but I was not.
 
In any event "in my experience" I have owned scopes that were "better" than the leupold scopes "I " owned measured by failure rate.
 
Is this "better"?
 
PS As far as challenging my honesty...you don't even know me and you say this...sad.
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