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Hello everyone,

I am looking to purchase a riflescope in the 4.5x14x40 class. I hunt primarily in Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming, and will be used on everything from rockchucks to elk. I have narrowed my choices down to the Zeiss conquest 4.5x14x44 with side focus a.o. and the Leopold 4.5x14x40 with s.f. a.o.  My bugdet is $800.  I browse this site on a regular basis and everyone seems very knowledgeable. Any info or opinions will be greatly appreciated.

 

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Chadman777 -

 

Zeiss Conquest.  Go with the #4 recticle and ENJOY!

 

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no contest - go zeiss.

 

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Well if you go Zeiss match up the Z series reticle with your caliber.

http://www.zeiss.com/c1256bcf0020be5f/Contents-Frame/3dc0003 746ab21148525726200057786

I still like the VXIII  but in the 4.5-14x50 30mm tube model because it has 100 moa internal adjustment and the Boone and Crocket reticle for known hold over.

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Have owned both scopes.......still own the conquest. Really like the 4.5x14x44 conquest and the side focus is a nice feature.

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at the same time that side focus could reall screw you over when that big bull comes in and out and you dont get a shot cause the damn side focus wasnt set where it needed to be to take the shot the less gadegets on a scope other than the mag. adjustment the better imo i hunted wyoming most of my life with 3x9x40 varixII's my old man used and m-8 6X so the less issues you have that can go wrong the better
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Side focus or front focus AO can get moved when hunting unless they lock in position, something to keep an eye on for sure if you use one. It would however be little difference having a non-AO scope factory set at 100yds/150yds or if you just have the AO set roughly at 100yds huh? Inch or so of parallax will not make the difference in a hit or miss fast, closer shot.....and with a longer shot there would usually be time to check, so it would not be an issue at all. If you desire any power range much over 10/12x they are pretty much a fact of life.

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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

no contest - go zeiss.

 

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+1

 

Maybe I've just been lucky but I have NEVER had a problem with having side focus as a feature on my hunting scopes.  This includes probably 150+ hours in the field hunting anything from hogs/deer/coyote/crows/etc.  I've never had a shooting situation where I couldn't get a shot off because the scope was out of focus.  That's not to say that it will never happen, just that it hasn't happened yet and I don't feel vulnerable to this ever occuring based on what & where I hunt.

 

Personally, I prefer the side focus feature on a hunting scope.  I also like having mil dot or some other hold-over reticle in such a scope.  Not that I don't see value in simplicity such as a standard duplex reticle or a scope without side focus or AO.

 

If you do go with the Conquest, check out the Rapid Z selection of reticles.  Good luck.

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Chadman777,

I've recently done a lot of research for similiar.  Between those I'd agree, go with the Zeiss.  I was almost set on getting a Conquest as well.  I was headed down the same path until some forum experts offered some insight in checking out the Kahles.  ND2000 was a big help.  I recently changed directions after checking Kahles and a lot more forum research and definately seem as good or better than the Zeiss.  Most others would say hands down Kahles is a better scope.  Still in your price range, I'd at least give a look at the Kahles KX, otherwise you can't go wrong with the Zeiss!  (If you really need the side parallax focus you could find a Kahles CL without the multiZero on the sample list as well for about $800)

http://http://www.swfa.com/pc-8612-1219-kahles-4-12x50-helia -kx-riflescope.aspx

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I also was dead set on a Zeiss Conquest, until I found out about Kahles.  Hands down better optics, if you are willing to raise the bar in the price a little.  You wouldn't have to raise it though if you went with a KX, definitely worth a look.  I have a Kahles CL 4-12X52 multizer0, and a C 3-12X56 and love them both.  Excellent field of view and crystal clear glass.  The multizer0 option is nice if you plan on doing any long distance shooting.  Nothing wrong with a Conquest, but if you can go with the Kahles and a #4 reticle, you won't be disappointed.  I find that parallax adjustment just gets in the way on a hunting rifle, it'll normally always be set wrong anyway.
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Zeiss.

 

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      Thanks for the replies,

 

       I will definitely take a look at the Kahles mentioned. Recticles such as the Boone and Crockett, Rapid Z, ect. look very intriguing and will certainly try one out in the future, but I have no experience with these and will be using the scope/rifle combo this fall. I have kept most all of my shots under 500 yds. when hunting, which is at my personal limit. But I have had good results experimenting with Hornadys' ballistic calculator shooting paper beyond 500, which makes it nice to have an a.o. I also have not had any problems with an a.o. moving, I generally set them at 200 unless I have time to make adjustments. Sooooo with everyones suggestions I'm leaning towards Kahles CL and the Conquest where both have great prices on the sample list... Thanks again everyone... Next time I'll be seeking your advice on women, money, and baseball........

 

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Originally posted by chadman777 chadman777 wrote:

Thanks again everyone... Next time I'll be seeking your advice on women, money, and baseball........

 

LOL!!

We got an answer for everything around here...

 

Welcome to The OT, chadman777!!

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Here is my advice:

Don't spend too much money on women unless you are assured of getting to 2nd base.

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Originally posted by TheDrakeTaker TheDrakeTaker wrote:

I also was dead set on a Zeiss Conquest, until I found out about Kahles.  Hands down better optics, if you are willing to raise the bar in the price a little.  You wouldn't have to raise it though if you went with a KX, definitely worth a look.  I have a Kahles CL 4-12X52 multizer0, and a C 3-12X56 and love them both.  Excellent field of view and crystal clear glass.  The multizer0 option is nice if you plan on doing any long distance shooting.  Nothing wrong with a Conquest, but if you can go with the Kahles and a #4 reticle, you won't be disappointed.  I find that parallax adjustment just gets in the way on a hunting rifle, it'll normally always be set wrong anyway.

 

 I agree .... who has time to turn and adjust 3 knobs on a scope to kill a deer ... any breed ... unless it's suicidal and stands there letting you ??? Have'nt run into any that way for over 45 years of hunting !

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

at the same time that side focus could reall screw you over when that big bull comes in and out and you dont get a shot cause the damn side focus wasnt set where it needed to be to take the shot the less gadegets on a scope other than the mag. adjustment the better imo i hunted wyoming most of my life with 3x9x40 varixII's my old man used and m-8 6X so the less issues you have that can go wrong the better
 
Amen!  My 20+ year-old Vari-XII has been dead-on and helped me account for a lot of game in a lot of conditions.  Simple, rugged and holding zero are what it's all about IMO.  
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Zeiss-very nice, so's the price-Bricat  Cool
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im still gonna tell you to buy a new zeiss or a kahles off the sample list
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Returned from my trip to Colorado recently where I put my new Kahles Kx to the test!  Wow, very impressed.  I was able to far outperform all the others in the dimmest environments.  Sure, we are'nt hunting in the dark here, but I was able to take the shot with confidence right at the crack of dawn or far past sunset with crisp clarity.  There is no doubt I'd now highly recommend the Kahles, and the Kx is a great deal if you don't need the multiZero. 
BTW, tagged both a bull Elk and really nice wall mount muley!...thanks Kahles!
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hmm another satisfied kahles customer im not surprised congrats steady!
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Your non AO scopes are set for 100yds or perhaps 75yds and at all other distances it will be off some. How many big game shots have you missed due too this? Probably none because we are talking a very small amount (1"-2" or so tops),its the same deal if you have your AO set at 100yds and a deer pops out at 50 or 150yds. It will not cost you a big game animal and is standard equipment on scopes of more than 12X. On a very long shot where parallax would possibily become an issue you will more than likely have time to adjust, but than again you will not be able to adjust a non AO scope anyway.......will you not take a long shot with your 3x9? Even though it is set at 100yds?

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ARRRG, I have been trying to decide between the Zeiss Conquest and a Kahles CL from the sample list, leaning toward the Kahles without the multizero. Have a Zeiss mounted on 7MM. Have a naked Rem 700 BDL Custom .270 needing glass........or donations for S & B would greatly be appreciated.....
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