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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tahqua Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/28/2007 at 12:47

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I am a little confused here.  I though Iman was David Bowie's wife.


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Now that's funny

 By the way,

SWFA now has Leo 4-18 VXL-7 30 mm listed. Has anyone tried one yet?

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I have a LPS and love it. I would like to know how the VX-7 compares to the LPS in clarity and low light. I have a VARI-Xlll and the LPS has spolied me to the point where I do not want to hunt with the rifle with the VARI-Xlll.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ceylonc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/05/2007 at 17:19

Originally posted by wricksmith wricksmith wrote:

I have a LPS and love it. I would like to know how the VX-7 compares to the LPS in clarity and low light. I have a VARI-Xlll and the LPS has spolied me to the point where I do not want to hunt with the rifle with the VARI-Xlll.

 

If you're considering the VX-7, PLEASE do yourself a favor and compare it outdoors (not inside a store; all scopes optics look good in florescent lighting) to:

1) Kahles C & CL;

2) Zeiss Conquest, Classic and VM/V;

3) Swarovski PH and Z6;

4) IOR;

5) Schmidt & Bender Zenith

 

Of these scopes, you have some which are little cheaper, about the same price, and one or two more expensive than the VX-7.  You owe it to yourself to look at scopes beside Leupold before plunking down money JUST BECAUSE it says "Leupold" on the box...

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BTW, there was speculation earlier in this thread about where the VX-7 is made.  This scope is shown in the new Cabelas catalog I received this week with the words "made in USA" next to the pic.  So, out of curiosity, I called Leupold and asked them.  The CS rep I talked to told me "it is made in our Oregon plant, except for the glass, same as all other Leupold scopes."

 

I personally wouldn't buy one of these scopes because of the hefty price, regardless of whether it's as good as, better, or worse than other scopes in it's price bracket.  If I were buying a scope in this price bracket, I certainly would buy scopes from a model series I already own or have experience with like Swaro PV, Kahles C, or Zeiss VM/V, not an unproven model sight unseen, regardless of who's name is on the box.

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I probably would too, Rifledude, but the VX-7 still does look pretty sweet. 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

BTW, there was speculation earlier in this thread about where the VX-7 is made.  This scope is shown in the new Cabelas catalog I received this week with the words "made in USA" next to the pic.  So, out of curiosity, I called Leupold and asked them.  The CS rep I talked to told me "it is made in our Oregon plant, except for the glass, same as all other Leupold scopes."

 

I personally wouldn't buy one of these scopes because of the hefty price, regardless of whether it's as good as, better, or worse than other scopes in it's price bracket.  If I were buying a scope in this price bracket, I certainly would buy scopes from a model series I already own or have experience with like Swaro PV, Kahles C, or Zeiss VM/V, not an unproven model sight unseen, regardless of who's name is on the box.

 

So, my "dangerous, unfair speculation" turned out to be FACT after all...

 

RifleDude, I'm right there with you.  99% of the time it's better to go with proven performance when you're talking the kind of money (over $1,100) the VX-7 and the high end Euros command.

 

Cosmetically, the VX-7 is a nice looking scope.  Hard to believe the same company also designed the VX-L...

 

 

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I don't see how it can compare optically to the kahles C or CL's.  It would have to be leaps and

bounds better than any Leupold i have ever compared.

 

one thing that scares me about Leupold is about how lots of folks have chimed in about

"how good their service department is" - that means a lot of folks have sent scopes back.

 

i have never had to send a scope back for a fix. 

and i am pretty rough on all my equipment. very rough, actually.

 

my 2 cents - i am looking forward to seeing one of these in a side by side w/ my euro's in the lowlight.

 

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Originally posted by ceylonc ceylonc wrote:

So, my "dangerous, unfair speculation" turned out to be FACT after all...

 

Actually, no.  Don't want to beat a dead horse, but my comments about unfair speculation were correct then and correct now.  This is a perfect illustration of just that.  You said it was completely outsourced, and it isn't, even citing its similarity to another scope as evidence of it being outsourced, for example: 

“p.s.--compare the tube & front objective design with the Nikon Tactical line of scopes (which, by the way, has been discontinued).  What you see might surprise you!”. 

“My purpose for mentioning the "Made in..." info is because this info is purely based on FACT, not biases, opinions, etc.  I brought it up because it is something we should all take notice of: that the most vocal USA rifle optics producer is finding that outsourcing their products is necessary for their survival (perceived or otherwise).  Whether you like Leupold or not, we should all take notice as it signals a significant shift if what we have today and what we're going to be able to use in the future.”

The glass is nothing new.  Leupold has never used U.S.-sourced glass, at least during the past couple decades, so in this regard, the VX-7 is no different from their other scopes.  To quote the Leupold CS rep I talked to, they "tried to find a domestic source for lenses some time ago, but none met their standards."  I stand by what I said earlier that it's irresponsible to bash something you've never seen.  Here we have a 9-page thread mostly containing negative comments about a scope that, as best I can tell, nobody has any direct experience with, only heresay comments from other people.  You advised a poster above not to buy something solely based on the name on the box -- which I think is excellent advice -- but likewise, isn't it also equally advisable not to criticize something solely because of the name on the box?  I've never owned nor seen an IOR scope outside of a store, so I would never critique its relative virtues vs. competing scopes.  I've heard several bad comments about their scopes on the net, yet I'm currently considering buying one.  I've had a long history of bad experiences with Bushnell products, because my father is a SportView devotee, so had I not given them the benefit of the doubt that things can and do change, I would have missed out on the excellent Elite 4200 scopes.

 

I would be reluctant to buy any scope in this price bracket that I have no direct experience with, not because it has an "L" on the box, but because that's a he!!uva big investment to plunk down on something unproven. 

 



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"people say Leupold has good service THEREFORE a lot of people must be returning them."
"I see nothing on TV about Iraq except car bombs THEREFORE the media is telling the truth."
"I see lots of people talking about blueprinting 700s THERFORE all 700s must nedd this to be useful rifles."
COME ON!
I own 9 Leupold scopes, I sent one back for repairs because I repeat I dropped it and broke the CH (an ancient M8). Leupold gave me excellent service. Excellent service does not equal bad scopes it equals excellent service.
As to unproven... who bought the FIRST Swaro, Zeiss, Leica, Redfield, Weaver, Super Sniper ? Were they not unproven?
Leupold has a long reputation as a company producing good products. Are we to assume this one will suddenly be a lemon?
I'd much rather take a chance on a new Leupold than a new Bushnell given the latter's 1000s of junky scopes produced over the past 30 years.
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all good points - i wasn't referring to you, root -

 

just several folks have chimed in to say, "i sent this scope back" etc.when referring to Leup.

 

i was just making the simple statement that i haven't sent a scope back, ever.

 

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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:


As to unproven... who bought the FIRST Swaro, Zeiss, Leica, Redfield, Weaver, Super Sniper ? Were they not unproven?

 

Someone other than me.  I don't buy ANY first year model of anything over $19.95.

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JB, it might have something to do with market penetration.
I.E. survey 10,000 car owners. You will probably find more folks had their Corvettes (Leupold) repaired than did those with Porsche 911s (Swaro et al). The incidence of repair has as much to do with the population of the product in the product universe as with the quality.

RD is a risk averse consumer,not an early adopter, probably prudent given the investment AND who would brag about buying a plasma TV 5 years ago?
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Also consumer expectations (target market group). Ex. many more consumer complaints involving Land rover for off road use vs. compaints by Cummins Ram consumers.
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Off road is for horses. Neither vehicle (or any other) belongs there. Erosion, scared game, polution and piles of Bud Lite cans mark the trail of off-roaders out my way. Learn to ride a horse or learn to walk and stop befouling the back country. There are already too GD many roads.
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root, that's a good point, as i know lots of folks w/ leupolds.

 

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

It is good advice Rifledude. To many people are getting burned right now as we speak........

 

 Leupold has been burning customers for about 3-4 years now . Overblown quality claims with inferior materials for the prices .... way overpriced !  I think 4200's and Nikon are going to put them down the same road as Tasco . Losing the US government contracts was the beginning . That is as soon as people stop believing the hype . Does'nt anyone on here ever check out Sightron or Seeadler scopes ? Get away from Japan and leupold and check the germans out ..... you'll be surprised at the quality ! Of course if you pay $1,000.00 or more for a for a leupold instead of one of the others ... including Zeiss .... you fit that catagory as the old saying goes ===  " A FOOL AND HIS MONEY SOON PART "   ---

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A scope is a scope..!!  To most that stand fast in their choice,  let them choose as they see fit..  Leupolds are like Fords, they both presume they can get by on an age old reputation.. Seems that the both of them better wake up , change their thinking or enter the "elite" market, which is held by the "Germans"... What can they do there..?  Its not this American standards thing either, it boils down to how well you treat your labor force..  Yes, it costs more to produce today, but you cant beat good old pride in your work..!  Some newer manufacturers are kicking butt, and iLL bet you they all have smiles on their faces,pride in the work place..  No time in the world today to be "set in your ways", spend your money wisely..   Hot 30
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Rootman, you might have something there..  15 years ago I might have bought a Ford or a Loopie, back when people gave a ---------..!  Marketing can allow a company to surive for some time these days..  I admire your conviction, but if you had a "cool grand", would you buy another Loopie..?

 

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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

A scope is a scope..!!  To most that stand fast in their choice,  let them choose as they see fit..  Leupolds are like Fords, they both presume they can get by on an age old reputation.. Seems that the both of them better wake up , change their thinking or enter the "elite" market, which is held by the "Germans"... What can they do there..?  Its not this American standards thing either, it boils down to how well you treat your labor force..  Yes, it costs more to produce today, but you cant beat good old pride in your work..!  Some newer manufacturers are kicking butt, and iLL bet you they all have smiles on their faces,pride in the work place..  No time in the world today to be "set in your ways", spend your money wisely..   Hot 30

 Hot30, this deviates from this post. Since you said it, I will take you to task as nothing could be further from the truth. Ford Motor Company is in the midst of the biggest turn around in it's 100 year history. This is not taking place by resting on our larels. Everyone in the industry considers Toyota to be the benchmark and in some regards they are. They have had twenty years of continous improvement, we have had approximately five. Our present work force has more than embraced this concept, we have in fact made moves that not even Toyota has done, yet. This is not sitting on a reputation, let alone emulating, this is innovation.

 RM, thank you for the comments on the present F150. We are working on the 09 as we speak and it will be a far better product. Ford has, and always will, build cars and trucks for the people. This will not be done sitting on a past reputation.

 



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Tahqua, I do not want to hijack this thread, so I'll start another one in the Anything Goes section titles "American Cars".  Please chime in if you do not mind.  I do not anyone who works for Ford or GM, so I am naturally curious about your take on automotive industry.

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