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Do you guys remember the famous post where "E" stated that his Leupold 6x42 riflescope outperformed a Leica 8x42 binocular? Well it is true only if you are.......

 

 

 

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Here's something to consider about the new VX-7's.  Next time you're at your favorite gun store, ask the guy behind the counter if the VX-7s are "Made in the USA."  When he say's "Hell yes!  100% AMERICAN!", ask him to show you ANYWHERE on the box or scope where it says "Made in the USA."

 

HINT: he's going to have a VERY hard time doing so...  Are you wondering the same thing I am???  Strange things are going on @ Loopy right now.

 

p.s.--compare the tube & front objective design with the Nikon Tactical line of scopes (which, by the way, has been discontinued).  What you see might surprise you!

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neato post are you saying they are made in maybe the phillipinees??
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

neato post are you saying they are made in maybe the phillipinees??

 

Well...........

 

I'm not saying ANY specific country of origin.  However, I do find it HIGHLY unusual that a company who drumbeats the "Made in the USA" mantra isn't stamping it on their supposed high end line.

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Boys, boys, boys.. you sound like a bunch of biddies gossiping.  Most of what you're saying is speculation and the rest if false. 

 

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i wont be surprised if it is true though, everything else good is based in the usa and made some where else so leupold might as well do it too. shame not many companies can afford to keep all the jobs here.
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Mwyates,this is not going to be a good year for Leupold.
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Too bad they are not a publicly traded comapny, we could just keep up with the stock prices.  Next January, let's look and see if they have closed any plants or reduced the number of employees.

 

I don't know what you're basing the "bad year" on.  They are very successful in every area.

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they wont need to close any plants they already get way more for there vx scopes than they are worth, its a shame they quit making the varix line, that was real leupold scope. so will they ever have a bad year, maybe not but what they sell there scopes for they only have to sell half of the amount any other company does. just my opinion and i was a hardcore leupold fan for years.
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Pyro, what was changed during the vari - vx change that has your dander up ?

 

Look to me like the same scopes with new names.(and new prices)

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the price went throught the roof and the quality stayed the same. i have or my dad and grandfather have owned at least one of almost every scope in the varix and m8fixed powers, when they came out with the vx's and jacked the prices like that we jumped ship, the last varixII i bought was a silver 3x9x40 silver, it cost me 200 you cant touch a vx2 for that. thats why.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but the optics on the VX scopes are quite a bit improved over the equivalent Vari-X scopes.  I have a few samples of both the old Vari-X and new VX, so I'd have to strongly disagree with your conclusion there.  Probably the reason you're noticing such a large price jump is because you aren't comparing equivalent scopes.  The equivalent scopes to the old Vari-X IIs are actually now the VX-I line, not the VX-II.  As for price, yep, they went up, same as almost all other consumer products during the same time period, including most mid- to upper-level optics manufacturers' stuff.  However, the VXs aren't really that much more expensive than  comparable Vari-Xs they replace, if at all.

 

Not defending Leupold per se, I just think you've gotten some bad information or are confused by the similar Vari-X II / VX-II labels.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Leupold outsource production overseas, as every other U.S. manufacturer seems to be doing it.  They already outsource many of their "non-riflescope" products anyway.  Labor costs are high in the U.S., and Leupold has to compete with companies who don't have any actual manufacturing facilities, but who have their products contract built by suppliers in lower cost countries.  However, there sure seems to be a lot of wild speculation and predictions of their demise going on here, based on nothing more than heresay, anecdotal evidence.  That's exactly how rumors start, which can end up hurting honest people trying to make a living.  Shouldn't we wait and see what the future brings and let the chips fall where they may?  The VX-7 may be wonderful or it may be junk, but we won't know until people by them and report their findings.



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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I'm not sure where you're getting your info, but the optics on the VX scopes are quite a bit improved over the equivalent Vari-X scopes.  I have a few samples of both the old Vari-X and new VX, so I'd have to strongly disagree with your conclusion there.  Probably the reason you're noticing such a large price jump is because you aren't comparing equivalent scopes.  The equivalent scopes to the old Vari-X IIs are actually now the VX-I line, not the VX-II.  As for price, yep, they went up, same as almost all other consumer products during the same time period, including most mid- to upper-level optics manufacturers' stuff.  However, the VXs aren't really that much more expensive than  comparable Vari-Xs they replace, if at all.

 

Not defending Leupold per se, I just think you've gotten some bad information or are confused by the similar Vari-X II / VX-II labels.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Leupold outsource production overseas, as every other U.S. manufacturer seems to be doing it.  They already outsource many of their "non-riflescope" products anyway.  Labor costs are high in the U.S., and Leupold has to compete with companies who don't have any actual manufacturing facilities, but who have their products contract built by suppliers in lower cost countries.  However, there sure seems to be a lot of wild speculation and predictions of their demise going on here, based on nothing more than heresay, anecdotal evidence.  That's exactly how rumors start, which can end up hurting honest people trying to make a living.  Shouldn't we wait and see what the future brings and let the chips fall where they may?  The VX-7 may be wonderful or it may be junk, but we won't know until people by them and report their findings.

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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Boys, boys, boys.. you sound like a bunch of biddies gossiping.  Most of what you're saying is speculation and the rest if false. 

 

 

LOL!!  I hate to say it but you're exactly right!  Here I am sharing info like a teenage girl...

 

However, I think you'll find that what I am saying isn't speculation.  Pick up the VX-7 and prove me wrong.  My "source" is very reliable and I've yet to eat crow with any info he's shared with me .

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my dealer is a hardcore, i mean HARDCORE, leupold fan.  he tried to sell me a vx-1 yesterday and said it is better than the nikon monarch,  but he looked at the vx-7 and was not impressed.  he said the swarovski Z6 was out of this world.  as stated in the thread,  this is all heresay info and second hand,  but that is what he said.
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I am very confident with what I post and predict rifledude, I realy do not see any wild speculations here.

As far as Leupold bieng honest,we got a very good example of that with what recently happened between

Leupold and Premier reticles. If you wish to continue supporting Leupold than that is definetly up to you

but it is my honest opinion that it is your loss. Part of the reason I am here is to share my passion and

give the best advice I can give in the process,there are alot of people that PM me that have never posted

here before asking for advice and I give them the best advice I can give as if they were family. If I am not

confident with something than I direct them to a fellow member who I know has the most expierience with

that product. Here is a confident statement that I truly believe to be true,Leupold is not the company it ounce

was and probably never will be again by the looks of things as they stand.

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Guys, I'm not flaming anyone here, I just think we're getting the cart ahead of the horse.  The scope in question is brand new.  Few, if any of us have seen it first hand.  I'm not discounting the possibility that it may not be worth the money, but I just think there's some needless bashing going on based on previous history with other products of the same brand.  I'm willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt with regards to trying to improve their products and don't like to take a negative view of something until I can judge it objectively.  I'm also not saying that the potential outsourcing isn't happening, that it's a good or bad thing, or that anyone's sources are wrong, I simply feel we're being a little hasty in judging something that hasn't had an opportunity to prove itself yet.

 

SVD, I think you misunderstood what I meant by "honest people."  I'm well aware of the Leupold/Premier controversy, and there's several different sides to that story.  I could be mistaken, but I'd bet none among us here were on the inside and know the full story, only what we hear.  Exactly the kind of speculation I'm talking about.  But, anyway, I was referring to the many people who work for Leupold, folks trying to make an honest living just like you and me, not the company itself.  Negative rumors are hard to stop when spread on the internet, and it can hurt these people needlessly if sales of what very well could be a good product are adversely affected by the rumor mill. 

 

I'm also not a "Leupold supporter" any more than I'm a die-hard supporter of any other brand.  I think I've been very clear about that in other threads where you and I have discussed this topic.  Most of my scopes aren't Leupolds.  None of the next 4 scopes I have plans to buy will be Leupolds for various reasons.  I have at least half of the major brands represented in my scope collection, and among my buddies, they have a good portion of the other half, so I have a good basis for comparing different scopes to each other.  I post in good faith with the exact same conviction, passion, and pursuit of the truth as you, and we can't all agree on everything, or this would be a pretty boring place.  I sincerely hope and try do so while still demonstrating courtesy and respect, but from time to time we'll disagree, and that's o.k.  I don't agree with the whole notion that there's never, ever any conceivable shooting application for which a Leupold is well suited, and I don't think those of us who share that view are in any way misguided or missing out.  You are free to hold that opinion, and I respect it.  Your opinions and experience is very valuable to this forum, and one of the reasons why I joined.  I wouldn't have had any feedback on brands like Meopta and IOR without this forum. 

 

Again, all I'm saying is that being super critical of a product is well and good in the proper context, but if it isn't based on actual, first hand knowledge, it does a disservice to those reading these threads for advice.  In the case of the VX-7, it can't be based on first hand experience because few outside of retailers have had their hands on one yet.  Even if it was a great product, I don't believe you would ever give it a fair chance anyway, because you've made it very clear you already have your mind made up... which is also o.k., but just be aware that not everyone has the same needs and desires in optics as you.

 

Am I completely off-base here?



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This is just my opinion for what it's worth...

 

My mind isn't made up about the VX-7.  Haven't looked through one yet.  However, I know of two different people who have held two different VX-7 models and expressed their feelings to me.  I won't repeat their thoughts until I myself have a chance to look through one.  My purpose for mentioning the "Made in..." info is because this info is purely based on FACT, not biases, opinions, etc.  I brought it up because it is something we should all take notice of: that the most vocal USA rifle optics producer is finding that outsourcing their products is necessary for their survival (perceived or otherwise).  Whether you like Leupold or not, we should all take notice as it signals a significant shift if what we have today and what we're going to be able to use in the future.  It also shows that Leupold (and probably 95% of other manufacturers) are probably going to be paying very close attention to their margins and bottom lines (obviously).  I'd be willing to bet that we're going to begin seeing fewer specialized scopes or scopes produced for a very small niche.  There's going to be a streamlining of scope lines and more "one size fits all" mentality (ie: fewer options).

 

All I'm saying is that "if Leupold is now doing it, don't expect any other producers not to follow suit," unless you're talking about a "boutique" brand (USO, etc.) with a very specialized lineup who exists because of it's differentiation, not because of a marketing department.

 

Again, just my $.02.  Flame away!!!

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