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   Got the itch for another alpha class scope , even though I know I don't need it. Want some input anyway. It's going to replace a 3.5-10x44 Conquest on my Cooper Excalibur .30-06. Currently have Luepold 1" mounts on the gun and it's shooting better than 1/2" MOA with factory ammo at 100 yrds. 

Looking at the Leica 3.5-18x42 plex with elevation turret. Worried about the thin plex as I do not like real thin plex reticles(but don't want another 4a) . I do not have access to one of these scopes to look at it in person. Plus I would have to change my rings out for this scope. Not worried about the 30mm tube but like that this scope has the hydrophobic coatings. I also hunt with Leica Ultravid 10x42 bino's .

Other option is Swarovski Z5 3.5-18X44 plex with the ballistic turret. Had a swarovski before and liked it a lot for the most part. The plex was big enough to see in real low light but I would have preffered it a tad bigger. I know how well the coil spring system works on these scopes for holding a zero(a huge plus for me). Glass is great. Don't have to change rings(not a huge deal anyway). No hydrophobic coatings. 

Price is the same, basically. Which would you guys choose ? Mostly still hunting (with low light shot capability important) from 100-400 yrds.

Edited by cbm - October/04/2011 at 16:17

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stickbow46 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/07/2009 Location: Benton, Pa Status: Offline Points: 4673	I've owned both the scopes you mentioned & they are both excellent,you might want to take a look at the Premier Hunter.If it's the glass only you seek buy the non illum.I have the 7A plex illum. & the only scope in my stable that matches is Zeiss Victory FL which cost addtional $1K. Forgot to mention ,the Premier line is made here in the USA. Edited by stickbow46 - October/04/2011 at 16:36
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Bitterroot Bulls Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: May/07/2009 Location: Montana Status: Offline Points: 3407	Those are two very similar scopes, cbm. I think the coil springs are the tie-breaker. I would go with the Swaro.
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JGRaider Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Master Joined: February/06/2008 Status: Offline Points: 1480	If my rifle shot 1/2 MOA I"d keep what I had. They'll all get you past legal shooting light, easily. If you're bound and determined to switch I'd choose Leica last.

cbm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Journeyman Joined: January/11/2008 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 488	I agree. I sold a Zeiss Diavari, Swaro PV and a Kahles Helia C ..........swore on here even....that Conquests can do all that needs to be done legally. But there is a difference even if it's arguably small .........I am going through one of those phases that I want to pay for that difference "right now". Next year I will probably say I should have just kept the Conquest.

cbm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Journeyman Joined: January/11/2008 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 488	Can anyone tell me if the plex reticles in the Z5 or Leica ER scopes are FFP or SFP ?

stickbow46 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Optics Master Extraordinaire Joined: January/07/2009 Location: Benton, Pa Status: Offline Points: 4673	Both are SFP Edited by stickbow46 - October/06/2011 at 18:09
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cbm Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Optics Journeyman Joined: January/11/2008 Location: SC Status: Offline Points: 488	My Swaro PV was a FFP plex ............guess I was hoping they still made them like that. Thanks !

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