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Which of these scopes is better for seeing bullet holes in targets - the Leica Televid 82 or the Kowa Prominar 883?  Or are they the same?  Let's assume I can buy them at the same price. 
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IMHO and most tests the Kowa is superior.
You are limited by atmospheric conditions, especially mirage during the summer.
Go whole hog and get one of the new Swarovski 95mm HD scopes.
Again, the Kowa 88mm HD scope is superior.
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Originally posted by gulf1263 gulf1263 wrote:

IMHO and most tests the Kowa is superior.
You are limited by atmospheric conditions, especially mirage during the summer.
Go whole hog and get one of the new Swarovski 95mm HD scopes.
Again, the Kowa 88mm HD scope is superior.
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I appreciate the input so far.  I have an itchy trigger finger (literally!) to get the best scope out there for seeing bullet holes (and therefore not necessarily for color definition).
I shot at 500 yards today and would have liked a top notch spotter.
So swaro is making a scope with a huge objective lens?   Is it for sale yet?
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Don't overlook the Vortex Razor spotter.  Was recently out shooting 550 yds and could easily see hits on a shoot-n-see target, but mirage was tame on that day.  Seeing just holes in a plain paper target would have been tough at that range with any scope.
 
The Kowa is said to be the top dog, especially around the bird watching types.  In so far as the alpha glass goes, the Razor gives up very, very little and comes in at a much better price.  I'd buy another one without a second thought.
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Kowa is the most often seen at matches so you have to assume it's the best.  However bullets holes at 500 are totaly dependent on ambient conditons.  Our matches We loose 45 caliber black powder holes at 500 on paper at times.  Best scopes lose defination when the air gets thick and light goes down.    Most difficult test is .22 rimfire at 200. Round nose they leave holes in paper smaller than .22 Guys are always looking for the magic scope, there are none out there.
 
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The Kowa edges out the Leica to my eyes. 
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