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New Leatherwood 3-12x44 Elk Country Rifle Scope with the no math reticle
is this a good scope? better then the elite 3200 and nikon buckmasters? what would you compare it to?
 
 
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I had a uni-dial for small bore silhouette. It looked great and was very clear and bright but stopped adjusting elevation after only a few days. Maybe just a bad one but I sent it back and bought a Burris.
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If I were you and to avoid future problems as best as possible, stick with the popular name brands; Burris, Bushnell, Nikon etc.
 
As the Leatherwood is and if your price point is around $250-$300, drop the magnification a bit and go with the better glass. In that price range, the 13 oz 3x9 4200 is one of the best choices, not a heavy 22 oz Leatherwood.
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yeah im really starting to look at the nikon monarch 4-16x42 and the buckmasters 4.5x-14x40
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this may give you some insight on that monarch, as reviewed by cheaptrick.

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9089
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I have two Leatherwood scopes and have friends who have them as well.  I also have the 3D mount.  Unless you have used them, extensively, as I have, it is difficult to have a true understanding of the capabilities.  I've killed more deer with a Leatherwood Sporter than most people shoot in a lifetime (good ole Alabama hunting season/limits...gotta love it).    My dog and cats eat venison year round (not every day, but lot of days) and we do whenever we want it.   
There were some quality problems early on.   The latest "round" of offerings appears to have solved at least most of the problems.  CS is good, better than many of the "favorite" brands.  
Jim Leatherwood was a true American Hero who was innovative, creative and honorable.  His products are a legacy.  He designed and built an optical system that provided huge advantages to warriors in a time of need.  OUR government, in its infinite wisdom, made it very difficult for him to profit from his genius.  Mr Leatherwood passed away last year, but his son runs the business now.  I can verify that the quality of character was passed down.  If you have a problem, they will make it right.  I have one of the new M-1000's and it performs very well.  I have not tried the uni-dials, but know people who own them and are satisfied with them.  I have a friend who shoots coyotes and beavers at 700+ yards with Rem700 .243WSSM regularly using the M-1200 (took him a while to learn to use the reticle, but got deadly with it). 
The no-math mildot is a very nice reticle.  One "major" company thought enough of the multi-zero function to duplicate it. Glass-wise, the newer scopes are equivalent to the Elite 4200's and the Nikon Monarchs.  I have physically, side-by-side made the comparisons.  I can shoot anything with a Leatherwood that I can shoot with either of the others, but with the added advantage of the range-finding bullet drop compensating reticle, can probably get there faster.  
I own other scopes, but I like variety in optics.  I also don't mind swapping if I want a particular set of features on a rifle that one of the scopes does not provide.  
It is difficult to "break into" the top ratings, because there are so many DIE HARD Leupy, Nikon, Conquest, etc owners.  They, and those scope companies, have been around for a long time and many of the users are closed minded.  As can be seen in some of the threads on this forum.  I dare say that if you compared Leupold's startup scopes to those available now, the startups would not do well.  They built a base over time, with some pretty severe stumbles along the way. 
I am not trying to tell you to purchase a Leatherwood scope.  Just don't discount it because it is lesser known.  I like mine, use them all the time.  They perform well.  I am not easy to please, but am above average pleased with the Leatherwood products I have come in contact with.  I would take it to war. 
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The Unidial that I had was actually impressive. The glass was pretty good. The Idea of the 10 diffrent flags on the elevation turret was awesome. I was able to set a stop for each diffrent range with no question or counting clicks. If the adjustment problem I had was fixed I would probably buy another.  

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The Nikon Buckmaster & the Bushnell 3200 are better scopes.I would compare this scope to a Simmons Aetec.I would buy the Sightron SII or the Bushnell 4200 for my hunting needs.
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Originally posted by hunter12345 hunter12345 wrote:

The Nikon Buckmaster & the Bushnell 3200 are better scopes.I would compare this scope to a Simmons Aetec.I would buy the Sightron SII or the Bushnell 4200 for my hunting needs.
And upon what experience would you base that?  I have compared them side by side.  Your words have no basis in fact.
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Interesting.  I had one for a muzzleloader that was a bad experience as it arrived with a damaged lens likely from the great care given by UPS.  So Kickboxer which model would you recommend for  target and hunting use?  The price is in a range that I can afford compared to the price of the scopes I want.
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My direct experience is with the camputer models.  I know a couple of guys with unidials who really like theirs.  
I got the M-1000 because it fits all my needs for the 30-06 BAR I have it on.  It will perform to the maximum of the rifle. I conducted a complex low light test on it, side by side with 6 other scopes, using an 8.5x11 sheet of paper at 100yds with 1/2in black lines spaced 1in apart.  I could resolve the lines all the way to dark.  Most scopes "gray out" several minutes before last light.  The Nikon did not perform as well (it grayed about a minute before full dark) and the 4200 was quite a bit worse.  Pentax 4X Gameseeker was in there until dark.  The older Sporter(3-9) grayed out at about 15 minutes before dark.  I had all the scopes at highest power.  BSA Sweet 22 grayed at near dark, could still take a shot with good "situational awareness".  The ATN was still good at dark, but there is something irritating about the image.  
Back to the question.  My friend's 6-24x50 M-1200 is very nice.  I like it, but don't need the higher mag.  2.5-10 is good for me.  I have not tried the 7-30.  PM me and I can put you in touch with others.  Computer is out of juice, I have to sign off now.  Will check in later.

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I have compared the new Leatherwoods side by side with others in similar price range. The leatherwoods had significantly better resolution. This i found surprising considering what others had indicated to me about Leatherwood. What the Leatherwoods lack is build quality. 
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I won't argue with someone else's experience with quality,  I can only report my own.  I KNOW I'm a very lucky person, but seems odd that my luck is so good and others is so poor.
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Dont get me wrong - I think they are a great buy. They have the best resolution I have found in their price range. Comparitively though the build quality wasnt as nice as the others.  Just the odd small niggle such as tight spot on the parallax adjustment etc.
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Please don't get me wrong.  I am really not TRYING to be argumentative (however, it is in my nature WITHOUT trying).  Thing is, if you have a problem with one of their scopes, CONTACT CS.  I know they will make it good.  IF they don't, get back with me.  I would really like to know.  They have been outstanding to me.  Far better than CS I got from Leupold.  
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