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At CPAC last week, NRA exec Wayne LaPierre blasted president Obama, predicting that Obama would try to do away with the second amendment if re- elected...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/


Edited by Alan Robertson - February/13/2012 at 19:30
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IMHO..bull.
LaPierre needs to scare us so we continue to donate so that he can afford all those fancy hunting trips and conventions.
The US House has passed a bill requiring states to honor CCW permits, if Obama veto's it he will force members of his party to vote against over riding the veto and they will be executed at the polls.
Obama has almost no political capital with his own party and has not done much of anything since the whole health care debacle.
The Dem's in the Senate will stop any anti-gun legislation from coming up.
Several bills were introduced last year and never even got a reading in a committee much less voted on.
As cases come before the Supreme Court it is getting harder and harder for state, county and municipal governments to pass meaningful anti gun legislation.
Still, donate to the Second Amendment Foundation and other pro gun groups so that we can be ready just in case.
The second and third rate attorney's from the NRA just don't cut it...Heller proved what first rate legal council can do versus the NRA hacks, it costs money to get the best.
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Howdy gulf1263,
While I agree that the Second Amendment isn't going anywhere and that the NRA needs to re- focus, many of Mr. LaPierre's points are valid. President Obama's court picks have already worked to reverse pro- 2nd rulings from earlier courts.

You said:"As cases come before the Supreme Court it is getting harder and harder for state, county and municipal governments to pass meaningful anti gun legislation."

Do you think that your statement will remain true after just one more Obama appointee?

You said: "The Dems in the senate will stop any anti- gun legislation from coming up."
Really?
 Your earlier expansion on the meme that Dems fear electoral backlash from anti- gun votes in this political climate leaves me a question, do you think the same would be true if Obama is re-elected?



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IMHO the Dem's have learned a series of harsh lessons when it comes to gun control issues on a national level.
The candidates from the large cities/urban morasses like to play the "it's the guns fault" not the dirtbag who used it card...most Dem's outside of those areas don't believe or support that.
The party as a whole has learned to stay away from gun control nationally.
The House comes up for re-election every two years so majority of Dem's there will not be inclined to take on any antigun legislation.
Obama got the party into a big bag of trouble over health care and lost the House, the Dem's are not going to listen to him on gun control and lose the Senate also.
Right now he could not find his butt with both hands and the help of ten aides.
The next question to be answered by the Supreme Court will be "does the individual have the right to protect themselves ?".
The Court (both Liberal and Conservative) has already ruled that the "Police" do NOT have a responsibility to protect you as an individual, they only have a responsibility to protect public officials and public property.
The Constitution says all US citizens have the right to "life and liberty"...so the next case before the Court will be do the States (which do not have a responsibility to protect you) have the right to deny you means to protect your "life and liberty".
It is not so clear cut because if you believe in "States Rights" then yes the States can deny you the right to "life and liberty".
This means a Conservative Court could rule in favor of the States right to deny access to and carrying of a firearm.
Trying the case will require a very heads up legal team, again the drinking buddies of the NRA leadership will not cut it in this arena, we will need the Heller team or better.
This requires money for researchers and staff along with the fees for the very best legal minds available.
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Hello again:
Need to clarify, the sentence "This means a Conservative Court could rule in favor of the States right to deny you access to and the carrying of a firearm OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME OR PROPERTY FOR PROTECTION".
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Here's a quote from an article linked in another thread in this forum:
http://www.opticstalk.com/topic31948.html
 From the article: So what’s the government doing about it? It turns out there's a bill that would close this loophole, and require background checks for all gun sales, even online. But that bill has been tied up in committee for nearly a year. Its sponsor, New York senator Chuck Schumer, told us: “The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington, and despite the overwhelming evidence that we should do something … the odds of us being able to do something are not high.”

So, I'm not quite sure that your contention that the NRA sucks, Democrats wouldn't dare do anything about gun control and conservatives are the likeliest to take our guns, holds water; either historically, or in any other context.
It's the liberal Democrat- controlled media that's always pushing the anti- gun agenda, at the very least, and the liberal Dems in senate and house that are having their feet held to the fire by the NRA over this issue. There aren't any conservatives on that committee? Just liberal Dems who would vote against gun owners if it weren't for the voters?

Sorry for using the passe' term "liberal". They'd changed their label from Socialist to liberal a long time ago and I need to catch up... they've moved on to calling themselves "progressive", now.
They're still a bunch of elitists who know better than you do about your life and who have some fascination with the power of the state to enforce their views and agendas.

I think it is a huge leap in logic to say that a conservative court would allow states to adapt anti- gun laws, because it's been conservative courts that have always (and recently,) ruled against states and municipalities for limiting firearms ownership and individual freedom, in general.
You have it exactly backwards.


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Hello:
I am an NRA Life Member and Handgun, Shotgun and Rifle instructor. I do support the NRA but not exclusively.
They have their good and bad points, sometimes internal politics override what is best for the members.
That is why I donate to other pro-gun organizations, none of us are perfect and neither is any one organization.
When I proposed that a conservative Court court could find the carrying of firearms outside the home for self defense strictly under the preview of the State it was to point out the states rights argument and how it could backfire.
I did not mean to say the Court would find that way since I have no knowledge of their thinking in this matter.
Just something for discussion.
Thanks for your thoughtful responses and the citing of the articles, I am learning.
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I grow very tired of the NRA always sending me this super important info and then in the end always, always asking for donations. 

Then what really pisses me off is they say when you sign up to be a member they will send you a free gift.  Last time it was a pistol range bag.  Well I signed up for 5 years and never got the bag.  So I called them up and asked why I never got the bag.  The lady said well we do not send them out because the money we spend on them can go towards more important things and we assume you members will understand that.  I then said well you told me I would get a bag.  I want my bag.  So she tried to debate with me how important it was that they keep the money.  I still said I want my bag.  She finally said okay but you are hurting the effort trying to guilt me into it.  I still said I want my bag.  She said I will get it sent to you.  I still never got that damn bag.  Bait and switch bastards is all I gotta say about them.  I still donate occasionally but don't have much respect for them.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I grow very tired of the NRA always sending me this super important info and then in the end always, always asking for donations. 

Then what really pisses me off is they say when you sign up to be a member they will send you a free gift.  Last time it was a pistol range bag.  Well I signed up for 5 years and never got the bag.  So I called them up and asked why I never got the bag.  The lady said well we do not send them out because the money we spend on them can go towards more important things and we assume you members will understand that.  I then said well you told me I would get a bag.  I want my bag.  So she tried to debate with me how important it was that they keep the money.  I still said I want my bag.  She finally said okay but you are hurting the effort trying to guilt me into it.  I still said I want my bag.  She said I will get it sent to you.  I still never got that damn bag.  Bait and switch bastards is all I gotta say about them.  I still donate occasionally but don't have much respect for them.
If the NRA is so interested in saving money for "the cause", they could stop these incessant fargin' mailings. It would be interesting to know what portion of my annual dues goes for mailed ads to buy some kind of insurance or other BS. They can't have too much left over for"the cause" since they bomb my mailbox with monotonous regularity.
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I think we are all on the same page here. Im a life member, but im not sure if would do it again. I know they serve a purpose and im glad they are their to comprise and play politics in DC, but money i donate now goes to local level grass roots organizations (like the VCDL in VA). 
A few things that get my goat has already been mentioned... i received a free bowie knife when i signed up as life member (i could care less about the knife to begin with) but then they go and send me this piece of crap chinese butter knife. To me that is an insult. Another thing that gets my goat is the amount of money LaPierre makes every year, i need to find the article and hopefully i am wrong, but i believe he makes somewhere around $950,000 per year. 

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