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Kudo's John,

I just got my Nov. American Rifleman away from my son long enough to read your article.  I thing it should be required reading in any gun school.  My Dad, God rest his soul, would blister my butt if I hit my pit before cleaning my rifle after shooting it.  It didn't matter how many rounds went down the bore.  Him being a ground pounder with the thrid ID in WWII must have drilled it into him so he drilled it into us.  But I have noticed, groups tighten up after shooting two or three groups, some guys call them fouling shots, call'em what you will.  I think you hit the nail on the head, with modern firearms and powders its not necessary to clean after every range session or hunt.  Good Article  
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I can't read it til l get home someday, but agree with the sentiment.  I used to clean after every session, but was convinced that a little "fouling" was good.  Seems to have made my "cold shots" more consistent with follow up shots...
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once again jb proved that he is one of the "elite" in the biz. great article john!
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Where did JBs article posts in the Rifle scope forum go?
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I enjoyed John's article in The American Rifleman as well. John just has that ability to understand deeply technical information, but never get lost in it while distilling it down to what it means for all of us in the field. He has utterly no fear of casting out long-standing dicta when he sees that they conflict with real-world experience. Keep on,  John!
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Thanks, guys.
 
Basically I just hate cleaning rifles, so have tried to figure out how I can avoid it!
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Originally posted by John Barsness John Barsness wrote:

Basically I just hate cleaning rifles, so have tried to figure out how I can avoid it!


Amen to that. I drastically cut back on my cleaning because it just didn't make sense to get down to bare metal every 20 rounds. Now I just wait until groups open up. I live in that same dry part of MT as John so moisture isn't really a concern. With my latest rifle - a Rem. 700SS 5-R I'm not even going to bother with a break-in procedure at all. Seems between that rifling and the chamber being hammer forged along with the rifling there's no tooling marks to deal with in the throat anyway.
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It was a good article. My grandfather never cleaned any of his guns.  I usually clean them every range session but I've always thought that rifles shot better after they had been shot for a while so I will play around with it some. It still makes sense to me to keep the extractor on semi autos clean though.
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That should indeed be the case.
 
It would be interesting to run a bore-scope into that barrel. While I have found it pretty hard to predict how a barrel will shoot (or foul) just from looking at it with a bore-scope, it would still be, uh, more data!
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In the article, John also hit upon a favorite theme of mine, which is the irresistable, memory-jogging scent of Hoppe's #9. Just a little behind the ear....
Even if not cleaning any guns, I will dab a little on a cloth and just lay it around the gun room. Any marketing plans for a cologne or after-shave?  (Up here in Idaho we actually clean guns and shave with about equal frequency).
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I don't mine cleaning guns, but I also notice better accuracy with a slightly foul barrel.  I also have like the hoppe's #9  fragrance.
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I read the article this morning while sitting on the porcelain throne, where I do most of my best thinking.Cool 

Great job, John!
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  A little dab of #9 behind the ears'll do ya!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I read the article this morning while sitting on the porcelain throne, where I do most of my best thinking.Cool 

Great job, John!
 
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Haven't read the article John, but I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for your service to us firearms buffs.  
Much appreciated!
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Great article! Made understandable for people like me.
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A very good article indeed.  Apparently John's hard work produced the same results as my lazyness.

I do clean my rifles every time I shoot, but that is mostly because I live about half a mile from the Pacific Ocean and rust can be a problem here.

However, I do not try to remove every shred of copper every time I clean the barrel.  That is way more elbow grease than I like.

It is interesting that John uses Ultra Coat.  I have been using Microlon's Gun Juice for a few years now with the same results.  It supposedly does the same thing and once properly applied it stays on forever (or at least for a very long time).  Microlon claims that it can only be removed via somethng very abrasive and not by any chemical means.

It takes a bit over an hour for me to get home from the range, so what I usually do is the following:  I remove some powder fouling using Slip200o degreaser at the range.  Since I often shoot old corrosive ammo, that is a must to remove corrosive salts.  Then I spray some sort of a foamy cleaner into the barrel and go home.  At home it takes about three patches to clean out whatever the foam has loosened up during the drive and another two patches to oil the bore.  Altogether, I think I every time I shoot I spend about 10-15 minutes per rifle on cleaning.

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JB has always put out some great material. Love reading his articles!
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Havent got to read the article but looking forward to it...
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Originally posted by Terry Lamb Terry Lamb wrote:

In the article, John also hit upon a favorite theme of mine, which is the irresistable, memory-jogging scent of Hoppe's #9. Just a little behind the ear....
Even if not cleaning any guns, I will dab a little on a cloth and just lay it around the gun room. Any marketing plans for a cologne or after-shave?  (Up here in Idaho we actually clean guns and shave with about equal frequency).
I'm guessing my wife doesn't agree with your taste. I cleaned my rifle in the bedroom once, and couldn't get her into bed for three days!!
 
She calls it Herpes.
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I would love to get hold of the article???? Any place on the internet???
 
I have been cleaning my rifle to metal after every range shoot (20-30 rounds).
I have recently stopped doing that after also seeing a more consistent accuracy with a "dirtier" barrel.
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Thanks JB for your work.  It was a good article.  I hope you are getting kickbacks from the UBC people.  I am going to try it out. 
I have a friend that has to clean after every time out to the range and even when there may be fingerprints on a gun.  He got pissy with me one time for not cleaning an older Rem ADL 2 weeks after last shooting it.  He told me it was going to rust and blah blah.....My deer rifle shoots North-West on the first shot through a clean barrel before the next 3 will get 3/8" group.  So I make sure some fouling is in the barrel before the season. 
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My question is do I have to worry about harming a barrel by shooting too long before cleaning? Right now I have about 50 rounds down the tube since the last cleaning. Groups are still running a hair under 1/2". I'd like to keep shooting until groups open up before I clean, but would hate to mess up the barrel on a high dollar (for me) rifle, and a great shooter. Do I just keep shooting until groups open up, or clean it before?
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

My question is do I have to worry about harming a barrel by shooting too long before cleaning? Right now I have about 50 rounds down the tube since the last cleaning. Groups are still running a hair under 1/2". I'd like to keep shooting until groups open up before I clean, but would hate to mess up the barrel on a high dollar (for me) rifle, and a great shooter. Do I just keep shooting until groups open up, or clean it before?
Holy smoke! Why blow a good date? I wouldn't change a thing...maybe a very light oil swab and an outside oil down if it has been wet, but with 1/2 moa you are already sitting on the holy grail.
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