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Can anyone advise on the quality of this scope?  I'm considering getting one for an inexpensive introduction to long-range shooting.  There's a local scope shop that sells them to the local SWAT snipers so I thought they might be worth the $250 price tag but I'm hoping to get feedback from someone who has used one or at least looked through one and compared it to some good, high-quality glass.
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There are better values out there for your $250, and if you can stretch it out to $300 a 10X SS would give you a lot more scope for the money. The SWFA site is currently down or I'd link a few options I'd consider before getting the Konus.

I have a Konus pistol scope mounted on my 22/45 and it's not bad. I'm not at all bashing them, but really feel like for the money, there are much better options to be had.

Give SWFA a chance to get the kinks out of their slinky and I'll post what I would consider if it were me looking to get into distance shooting.
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I would suggest any of these over the Konus.

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P499.aspx  Best option

http://swfa.com/Swift-4-12x40-Premier-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P46920.aspx  If you need a variable

http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx  If your budget doesn't allow either of the others.

Konus has made some strides towards becoming reputable, but are still well behind any of the above.



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Thanks for those suggestions and for the honest appraisal of the Konus scopes.  Right now, I'm leaning toward the SS 20x42 for distance shooting.  It's a shame that it's not variable so I'll have to swap out scopes when I take that rifle hunting, but such is life I suppose.
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SPL11525 SWFA 3-9x42 SS Rifle Scope DEMO-B
Click to view SS39X42, Matte, FFP Mil Dot, 30mm
$499.99
Pick up one of these Demo - barely used 3-9x42 Super Sniper scope and you will be getting a scope that is worth well over a thousand dollars it will absolutely smoke everything else in its price range.  As for someone selling Konus to their local snipers  - Oh My God I certainly hope not.  Most police snipers in the U. S. use Leupold Mk4 scopes typically either a 3.5-10x40 or a 4.5-14x50, The ones that have a choice use Nightforce or U.S. Optics, Premier,  Heinsold or Schmidt Bender all of which are very expensive and very reliable.  I have one of the Leupold Mk4 in the 3.5-10 and I have two of the SS 3-9 and the SS is the better scope.   If you truely can not stretch the budget this far then I suggest you buy the 6x42 Super Sniper or the 10x42 Super Sniper.   Trust me when I tell you that I sure as hell wouldnt want to be standing next to the bad guy knowing the police sniper across the street was using a POS  $250 scope of any kind.
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As for the 20x better glass is prefered to higher power.  I have had the 20x and at that power range you really need a 50 or better yet a 56 mm objective. That scope looks really grey in low light just because of the physics of having the smaller 42mm objective which seems fine at lower powers.  To get into a good 20x top end scope you need to be over $800 and Sightron S3 and Vortex Viper PST would be the more reasonably priced ones.  For a beginner either a fixed 6x a variable 3-9x (best choice) or a fixed 10x would be better.
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I saw those 3-9 SS's  on the sample list. VERY good deal.

You'll pay a little more for them, but GOOD quick detach mounts will pay for themselves over time in saving you money re-sighting in scopes if you're swapping out for hunting season. "often less than 1 MOA in point of impact shift when you take it off and put it back"

The internal adjustment range on the SS model 3-9 is far greater than your usual 3-9 hunting scope. Zero it at whatever range you zero for hunting, set the knobs, use it for distance shooting adjusting it as needed, then back to your set zero and it will actually be on zero. You can shoot out a fair piece on 9x with good glass. The SS is good glass. "and you wouldn't have to learn the in's and out's of 2 different scopes for 2 different applications and go through swapping them around"

I feel bad for not asking sooner, what rifle and caliber is the scope going on?


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R700 in .308.  I had McMillan bed it into an A5 and the only other modification is a Jewel trigger.

Right now, I have a Leupold Rifleman scope on it 'cause it was cheap and I needed something to put on it when I bought the rifle.  With that scope, I was able to shoot that group in my profile pic next to the dime.  That was 3/8" at 100 yards.  If the rifle can do that, then I can comfortably say that operator error is my biggest obstacle now; the rifle is more accurate than the shooter.
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If that's your group @ 100 yards as is. You're plenty good to go for as long as it takes to save up for something REALLY nice. Thunbs Up

If it ain't broke.........Wink

Seriously, hold what ya got till you can get something with enough internal adjustment to really play with. The SS is proven to be durable and repeatable. If it wasn't we wouldn't suggest them.

.308 is a good caliber and the 700 is an excellent platform. You can surely get by with the rig as is for long enough to save a bit more.

Just my .02, but if it were me I wouldn't make a change unless I could get something substantially better than what I was using. If you're grouping 1/2 MOA as is you're plenty good.
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Thanks!  I appreciate those kind words.  I'm proud of that group but I must admit I'm not consistently that good.  That's what I mean by the rifle being more accurate than the shooter at present.

But I just ordered THIS so hopefully that will start to change as I get inspired to get out and practice more.

I also picked up a Zhumell 22-68X90 for a spotting scope.  At the price I paid, it's worth at least checking out what a 90mm objective lens can do.  If the picture looks like crap, I can always send it back.


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I've heard NOTHING but good things about the HD line from SS. Keep us posted.
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Welcome to OT, SDShannon!
 
Be advised, I had to edit your last post because it contained a link to an SWFA competitor, in violation of forum rules.  Please keep in mind that that SWFA provides this forum for our use, and it's not only against forum rules but it's inpolite to our host to redirect readers to their competitors.
 
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Thanks for pointing that out.  I didn't think it would be an issue since SWFA doesn't even carry that brand name, much less that product.  But now I know better.
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Well, I got the 10x42 HD SS.

Holy.

Mother.

Of.

God.

It's awesome.  I've never seen glass this bright and clear.  The $100 discount from getting it off the Sample List was a nice little bonus too.

For anyone who's in doubt - get one.  Get one ASAP.  You won't regret it.

I love it.
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I do have a question about adjustments, though.  The scope has a mil-dot reticle and mil turrets.  How do I adjust the turrets for a known range?

For example, say I use a laser rangefinder to determine range is 320 yards.  Assuming the scope is zeroed at 100 yards, how do I determine the number of clicks to put crosshairs on target?

There's a lot of info out there on how to do that with turrets in MOA values, but I can't find much for doing the same with milliradian turrets.


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Glad you like the SS, really think you made the right move.

To answer your question about ranging and such, might give this a look.

http://swfa.com/Mil-Dot-Master-C1004.aspx

With the range finder, a nice rifle and optics, and a mil dot master, you are all set up to really get serious about precision shooting.

Now aren't ya glad you didn't get that Konus. Wink




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http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
At the bottom last line on the program you can select your trajectory  drop in either MOA or MIL or inches so select MIL.  Once you get this figured out you will be just kicking yourself wondering why all scopes are not MIL MIL.   Aim at the center of the target shoot a hole in the target use the mil dot reticle to measure how high or low and left or right then dial in the clicks  - same same
EX:   4.3 Mil high dial the knob down 4.3 MIL  next shot is in the X if you measured correctly.
When it comes to dialing in correction after you have set your zero.  If correction is 2.3 mil you can dial the 23 clicks or you can dial 3 clicks and hold on the second mil dot down -- very fast.  
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Mil-Dot Master Mil-Dot Master
Stock # - MD1
  • Estimating Target Size
  • Determining Range to Target
  • Correcting for Bullet Drop
  • Correcting for Wind Drift
  • Correcting for Uphill/Downhill
  • Correcting Correction to Mil (holdover)
  • Correcting Correction to MOA (sight adjustment)
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