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Anyone familar with Kent industires and their laser engraved turrets? If so, would putting the tuned trajectory compensator on bushnells new 6500 elite be practical if interested in long range shooting?
 
In a hunting situation, would using the Mil Dot in this particular scope for a BDC, be considered to course with open spaces between the dots? Never used a Mil dot before but really like what bushnell has done for the money! Thanks, Doug
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Doug,

I have several Kenton BDCs and really, really like them. So long as your data is right, I've never had one off by more than a click out to 600 yards.


As for whether Kenton makes a knob for the 6500, you'll need to call or email him and ask.  It is brand new and I doubt he'll have the knobs in stock yet.
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"  ?  will the mill dots be too course? "    -- Well that depends on how they set it up say it's the 4.5-30x56 and the mil dot is set at 30 it would be tough to use 30x up close, but if they take their leed from what they did with the 4200 and make the mil dot on at 12x I dont think there should be any problem.   Since the scope is not on the street yet and info is scarce so far it's hard to answer that. It is not a FFP if it was you could definately use it for hold over.
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Thanks for your endorsment on Kentons TTC. I realize now that the optic need to have target turrets to be changed out with custom TTC. If the 6500 elite doesn't offer target turrets this year, my second choice would be the conquest which is available with target knobs. With only a 1 inch tube, I'm concerned about the available elevation adjustments (and maybe even windage). Does anyone know how much is available and if there is a slant type base or something  to add adjustments? The rifle is a sendero chambered in  a .300 RUM.
 
If I was to get the 6500 elite, it would be the 2.5 x 16. The 300 RUM really drops off after 500 yds. I'm thinking the  TTC is my best solution in learning to shoot extreme distances...
 
Thanks again, Doug
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Country,

I understand your concerns and must disagree with your last statement. A BDC is a tool that helps, but learning long range shooting is something altogether different.  First, you need the basics, then you need the bullet your rifle likes most.  Then you need experience and practice.  And, for what you describe, you need either a known-distance range or you need a good rangefinder.

BDCs are a good tool but they don't replace other very necessary skills.

If you are only going out to 500 or 600 yards, consider a 10X supersniper - save some money and invest in good rings and mounts.  The conquest is a good scope and in daylight shooting, the 1" tube shouldn't hinder you.  My concern would be recoil with the Conquest.

And, to clarify: what are "extreme distances"?

Finally, call or email Kenton.  I have spoken with the guy several tiems and he is very helpful.  I think iti si a 1-man show.
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Hello, Rancid coolaid 
 
I really do appreciate taking the time to give your opinion.  In the back of my mind, I've wondered how durable the conquest would be mounted on a 300 RUM. I almost put a IOR on the thing last summer but someone talked me out of that scope because of the weight. I also had concerns that if the optic was to fail, trying to get it repaired in Romania... That would probably be my luck:(  I'm also still waiting to hear from Kenton Industries. Will give him time to reply before I call. I'm not a big leupold fan but I would pay 1000- 1200  for the right scope application but that's my budget for this project.
 
Extreme distances to me would be about anything over 500 hundred yards. I let a huge Roosevelt elk get away this year from close range (forty yards). He cut away at a bad angle and I just couldn't swing out in front. I killed a 6x6 the following day (standing broad side) at a little over 300 yards... chip shot. Distance is all revelant to conditions.
 
I've always wanted a rifle equiped with a BDC turret that would allow me to hold right on, regardless of the range. The 300 RUM is shooting 3300 fps  using a 180 nosler partition. Zeroed at 250 yds, it is about  -2.8 low at 300, -12. at 400 and -26.7 at 500. With a target such as an elk, I could easily get by without any BDC (as long as I have the range finder). After 500 yds, it gets interesting, droping an average of 10 inches for every 50 yrds. At 750 yards, its about -94 inches low. Working out the wind drift (using a wind meter)  naturally increases the further out  you go. Do I need to give you the stats on windage? Rancid, its a science for sure, shooting long range,  but skill is something that varies between shooter. I'm still trying to tweek this Sendero ( about 1 inch moa at one hundred yards) but I'm not planning to put an after market barrel on right away, I'll probably wear the barrel out just learning how to shoot it ...What my capabilities will be beyond about 400 yards (which I can do now), is yet to be seen. How far I'm willinging to take a shot at a animal is yet to be seen. I think it is intertaining to have the "tools" neccesary to attempt this endevor and again, for me, the TTC seems to be the best solution when the trajectory is breaking off so steep beyond 500 yards. Instead of concentrating on where to aim a mil dot or BDC reticle, I can concentrate on taking a proper shot... I think it would be fun to shoot at  targets a really long ways out... and why not? The 300.RUM with 4371 lbp of energy out the barrel, retains over 1600 lbp of energy at 700 yards. That was the reason I chose this caliber.
 
It's tempting to mount a swarovski A line with modest magnification and just use it for hunting, but I want to play:)
 
Thanks again, it comfirms that I'm still just as confused as when I started! lol
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Your inquiry makes much more sense now.  A few things to add.

First, it's tough to hold over for unknown range.  I've had friends miss trophy bucks because they over- or under-estimated a target.  My first advise would be to invest in a good rangefinder - Leica makes a few great ones.

Next, the BDC is nice, but so is the Swaro with ballistic reticule. I just pulled out the stickers that come with a Swaro w/ ballistic reticule and they have a sticker for a 300RUM, 200 gr Nosler partition at 3070FPS.  With a 200 yard zero, the reticule lines will get you out to 763 yards - and I have found the marks on mine to be dead on (for my .270.)
As it is a hunting rig but also meant for fun, get the Swaro with BDC reticule (and maybe a rangefinder) and you will be very, very pleased.
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Thanks, Rancid :)
 
I have the swaro SLC 10x42 bino's and understand the importance of glass quality. The swaro scope with the BDC reticle makes about the best sense yet. What little fun I would get by attempting shots beyond a hunting situation seems trumped by the overall best hunting rig within my budget. Someday I still want those dang BDC turrets! lol
 
I have bushnell's elite 1500 ARC 1600. We have found that the more powerful rangefinders do a much better (faster) job of picking up distances over rangefinders that are trying to pickup distances close to their maxed out limits.
 
I still think if the elite 6500 is ever offered with target turrets and it tracks true, it will be a great value with all the features.  For many applications, it probably is a great value anyway... Thanks again
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If you really want to dial in correction and dont like the leupold you might give a look at the Nightforce in the 3.5-15x50 it is a very nice scope and well worth a look.

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Hi, Urimaginaryfrnd
 
Yes, have looked at the NXS and no doubt they would perform and stand the test of time. But 30 ounces,  even from someone like myself who puts little emphasizes on weight, is a little more than I want to carry. Eberlestock makes a great day pack that turns into a cargo hauler and this pack has a built in scabbard that eliminates alot of concerns about rifle weight... to a point! lol
 
I'm still toting the Swarvo idea with the ballistic reticle, but when I checked that particular scope model, I found another Swarvo model equiped with hunting turrets (listed as a new model)... I went into Swarvski's web site and couldn't find any imformation about their hunting turrets... I'm thinking I might be gaining on my scope quest.  Thanks for pointing out the Nightforce:)
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Nightforce is a great scope, I have the 3.5-15x50 and really like it.

The Swaro with ballistic reticule does not have target turrets - you don't need them, the lines on the reticule become the aiming points.

Kenton makes BDC knobs for Nightforce NXS.  In time, he will offer knobs for the 6500, only a matter of time - go where the market takes you.

The Swaro is smaller, lighter, great clarity and resolution, and I really like the reticule.

In the end, you will be packing it, so get what you want.  Target turrets are both good and bad: they allow you to dial in exact range, and they can snag on things and spin when not needed - or wanted.

My hunting rigs have no target turrets or ahve a target elevation turret - Zeiss will retro-fit a scope with hunting turrets to target turrets for $50/turret - I do elevation only.   I wouldn't recommend that since your gun is probably a thumper and Conquest isn't the most robust scope on the market.

Get what makes the most sense for you.
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Hey Rancid,
 
Your exactly right on the money and my instints is leaning toward the Swaro with the ballistic reticle... Its looks like a BDC I would like too.
 
Looking through swfa's online catalog, there appears to be a new Swarvo in the A line being offered that describes  hunting turrets instead of the BDC reticle. The scope is listed for more money, not sure what they mean? I realize the ballistic reticle doesn't have or need target turrets, just wondering what this other scope was about. You've been a big help, tax returns look favorable and I see optics with clear resolution coming soon! lol  
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After continuing to research  the Swarvoski  ballistic turrets (BT), available on the A line series,  it appears to be on the same lines as Kahles Helia cl multi zero scope. The turret will pre set 3 additional settings besides your original zero setting.
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