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 I have been looking for a scope for several months. The requirements I need are (1) Illuminated reticle, (2) target knobs, (3) side focus, (4) mildot reticle, and (5) variable power.  I have looked at the Leuopolds but was not really impressed with them. They seem to be over priced for my taste. I was thinking of the IOR but then again to get the features I want They are in the $1400. range. I came across the TRS-1 And it seems to fit the need. From all the research I have been reading they are durable and affordable. I am thinking about using the Millet Tactical Rings. I dont see a base listed for my rifle, a Savage 110fp with flat receiver in 300 win mag. I am thinking about using a Warne 1-Piece Tactical Picatinny-Style 20 MOA Elevated Scope Base. I have 2 questions for you. (1) Will the medium rings be high enough to clear the bull barrel on the gun? I have seen the rings and just by looking the medium rings appear to be the same height as the Leupold high rings. I have looked on the Millet web sight and can find no information as to scope or ring deminsions. (2) Will I have enough down travel to sight in the scope with the 20 mil base. I want to get into shooting long distances and dont want to run out of scope travel in the up direction. I have been to every store with in 200 miles that is listed as a MIllet supplier but cant find a scope anywhere.  That is the reason for the questions here .  Thank for any replies you send. Gary

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Welcome to The OT.

 

Brother, you may be better served shooting Steve a PM and linking this thread.

 

Steve does stop in from time to time, but it may be awhile before he sees this.

 

I PM'd him for ya.

 



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Hello all

 

We are shipping out TRS as fast as possible. supply is limited as we do not want to lower the quality.  

 

med rings will work well.  

 

Millett has excellent tactical rings that hold the scope well.

 

There is 94 moa of movement on the elevation,for the TRS   this should work for you.   As the TRS is a tactical scope there is no come up counters so one of our varmint-target scopes may be a better choice for you for beyond 600 yrds.   I hate to talk someone out of  a sale but if you are serious about long range the V-T is a great scope too.   But also the Varmint and target are not illuminated like the TRS.

 

Next yr we will have a new long range scope that will be the scope for 500 to 1500 yard shooting.   It will be at the shot show this yr.  

 

Good shooting

 

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Keep in mind, there is no free lunch when it comes to optics.  The Leupold and IOR are priced in that range because of the higher manufacturing cost of a quality scope with all the bells and whistles that you want.  Personally, I would see what features that I could live without and spend my money on a scope of higher quality than the Millett.  Take a look at the Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 (30mm).  It has everything you are looking for but the Illuminated reticle.  At $570 it is not all that much more than the TRS.  The step up in quality would defineately be worth the difference in price (less than $200). 

 

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Originally posted by KB0WZL KB0WZL wrote:

Next yr we will have a new long range scope that will be the scope for 500 to 1500 yard shooting.   It will be at the shot show this yr.  

 

Good shooting

 

Steve

 

Will this new scope will have 1/4 MOA clicks instead of those 1/8 clicks??? 

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 Not impressed. Think I will stick with my Leupolds. 
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Guys, some of you are gonna be biased no matter what a company other than your favorite does but that don't mean you're opinion is anything more than someone else.

 

WELCOME 454 and do some serious unbiased research before you buy, use the seach function, for more info bro. 



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Who are you referring too, cyborg??

 

 

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Let me clarify this Cheaptrick,

 Yes there are some real crap scopes on the market, I like alot of you have owned a few, more than I care to admit actually, I'd love to have that money back. So lets just say that if someone is looking for value below 500 dollars, super sniper, bushnell, millett are all well worth the money spent and then some. as far as singling out someone for target practice, my statement is a generalization, so if anyone takes offense, they must be guilty of doing so. Personally I like to keep an open mind, do the research and save myself the headaches, and money if possible.      

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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

As far as singling out someone for target practice, my statement is a generalization, so if anyone takes offense, they must be guilty of doing so.

Personally I like to keep an open mind, do the research and save myself the headaches, and money if possible.      

 

Excuse me for not welcoming you to Optics Talk in your first post.

Welcome!!

 

Secondly, I don't feel anyone has "targeted" Millet or Steve in this thread. 

Hell, I even PM'd Steve telling him a guy had a question about one of his scopes....

 

Ufriend said he'd stick with Leupolds and I asked Steve if the new scopes would still have the 1/8 MOA clicks or would they be 1/4 clicks.

I personally would prefer 1/4 MOA clicks to shoot distance, as would MOST other distance shooters I can think of.

Ranburr just flat out don't like Millet......

 

And thirdly, I took the liberty of editing your first post because I felt it was profane.



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 Thanks Cheaptrick,

Yeah I see it was edited, I don't see where there was a problem with what was said, but then again, I'm not the most tactful person, I tend to tell it like it is. Mainly there are alot of people here that don't have all the wasted time and money that several of us do. and it is human nature to have a bias towards one thing or another, Army, Navy Airforce, Marines Etc. all the way down to the brand of toilet paper, having been in the Army myself, some things are decided for you, didn't like that part of it at all. We shoulda finished the job when I was there in '91(Iraq) We wouldn't have the problems we do now, then again I have my opinions too. So when people who carry the respect that some of you older posters (not age) dismiss some brands due to opinion, it may affect the purchase of someone else, that may be completely satisfied with what others may see as less.

 Not aimed at you Cheaptrick, you have atleast as far as I can tell been fairly openminded, as has been the Darklord. Just to name some of the ones, but not all. 

Personally I love IOR, Leo, Bushy, can't wait for the new Supers to come out, and my Countersniper, and yes I happen to own a Millett TRS, real nice scope especially for the duckage.

 So Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for watching my back too, though I don't think it was necessary. By the way I like the fact that 5/8 of an inch is possible @ 500 Yrds, with the 1/8, my personal pref. I love exact impact, but I can see how the knob turning can be tedious.

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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

 Thanks Cheaptrick,

Yeah I see it was edited, I don't see where there was a problem with what was said, but then again, I'm not the most tactful person, I tend to tell it like it is.

 

Either am I tactful, so lets cut to the chase, shall we?

 

You've got your opinions and others have theirs. Optics are VERY subjective, so while one person may think an optic is great, another might not like as much or at all.

No harm, no foul.  No bad guy, no good guy. Just the way it is.....(Shrug)

 

Please continue to stay around and contribute. We are fortunate to have a very diverse and informed membership here.

 

But be advised.... I don't need your approval on what I do around here and I wasn't "watching your back" in my previous comments.

I'm all about folks coming in here to contribute and learn in a friendly enviorment.

No one has learned more here than myself.

 

Thank you for your military service and your commentary.

 

Out.....

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I think we all know who cyborg was refering to  but the thread did start out with some blatant leupold bashing:

 

" I have been looking for a scope for several months. The requirements I need are (1) Illuminated reticle, (2) target knobs, (3) side focus, (4) mildot reticle, and (5) variable power.  I have looked at the Leuopolds but was not really impressed with them. They seem to be over priced for my taste...."

I simply have the opinion that Leupold makes a good product --- a consistently reliable product, and while it may not be the worlds best Kahles / Swarvo glass it is certainly useable for the purpose for which it is designed and bears a price tag that makes it look like a bargain if you lay it next to a Schmidt Bender or Zeiss Diavari / Hensoldt and some of the new 40mm IOR's.  Granted the price is rather high but the price on a lot of things seems high as I remember buying gas for .19 cents a gallon in high school.  

 

I welcome all of you to our educated discussion and if you are having good results with Millett TRS and can add additional input of value so much the better. There is room here for more than one opinion and my opinion is that Leupold provides a consistent - reliable product that is quite useful and meets the stated requirements with the exception solely of PRICE.  Not every scope I have is high in price either so  -- find value where you can and tell us how it holds up for you in the real world.   I happen to have a couple of $30 tasco 3-9x40 that seem to be working quite well  one is on a .375 H&H so I understand value is where you find it, but that doesnt make Leupold evil because they are not in your price range.

 

P.S. I have some Leupold scopes that have lasted a lifetime.



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I agree that Leos are good, no question there, every scope should be atleast that good, but then we'd all be discussing toilet paper, Man alive!!

 

Hey Cheaptrick, thanks for your comments, but I wasn't implying that my approval was something you wanted or needed for that matter, just trying to give you some earned respect. You either like it or not, your choice man. It doesn't hurt my feelings or my pride either way. So if you took any offense to anything I've said, none was intended. and that should clear that up, if not I don't know what else to say. 

 

 No I wasn't aiming at anyone, or referring to anyone in particular, and I agree that some of the Leos are a bit overpriced. Especially when compared to some other scopes in their price range, Thats fine with me, I'd prefer charmin over some other brands, especially the paper in the MRE packs,

Charmin costs more but both do the job, and end up in the same place. 

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Hello

 

the new long range scope will have 1/4 moa clicks and a lot of other features.  

 

good to see the ol op talk is still a hot place of insight and opion.  

 

good shooting

 

steve

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 By the way 454,

good choice of rifle, I love my Savages, good accurate, and certainly they are a bargain.

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Now I am a little confused.  How does the phrase "I have looked at the Leuopolds but was not really impressed with them. They seem to be over priced for my taste...." constitute Leupold bashing?

The guy never called Leupold anything bad.  He did not like them and thought they were overpriced (incidentally, I very much agree they are overpriced).  He did not bash Leupold in any way shape or form that I can fathom.

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Cyborg, no apology necessary.

We cool......

 

Again, welcome aboard.

 

Look forward to seeing your newest incantation, Steve.

Can you divulge any more specifics about your new tactical scope?

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Thanks again Cheaptrick, Lots of knowledge in here. Glad were cool.

 

Yes Steve, please if you can I'd like to know also. More choices is a good thing!! 

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Thanks for all the replies. I should probably have clarified the Leupold statement. When I bought my rifle a Savage 110fp it was my first attempt at getting a long range rifle. I added a Ultimate Sniper Stock to lessen the recoil. I bought a cheap Bsa scope that is 8X32X44. It is clear as far as I can tell and when I examined a $1400 Leuopld scope in a Bass Pro Shop it didnt seem any brighter or different than the one I have on the rifle now. I know that it would be superior on the rifle. I am sure it would track better, it should since it cost 14 times as much. I have had 2 problems with the Bsa. Its sometimes too powerful and would be nice to cut it back a little. I do like being able to see the holes in the target from long ranges though. The other problem Is I cant see the reticle when the light is low. When shooting in SC at my son in laws range it was so dark I couldnt see the target with the naked eye. We put the truck headlights on the paper and I shot with no problems. My son in law told me he had put a piece of steel 4 inches wide 8 inches tall on the ground by the target stand. He said it was 2 feet lower than the paper and 8 inches to the left. When I came off the lighted paper I couldnt see the reticle. I had to move back to the paper and calculate where I was when off the paper. Three shots and three clangs told me I was guessing correct. Now that was only at 100 yards but then I am still learning. Thanks Steve for the info on the medium rings I am ordering either tonight or tomorrow depending on if they are open late. I think the Millet will fix both problems.
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Hello

 

I cant give away all the details of the new scope, have to wait till the shot show unveilling.  Its a long way forward for Millett scopes, It will be limited production high quality scope for long range applications.  It has I hope the features you guys will like.  I take into account the feedback I get here and on other forums, as you guys have a great deal of knowledge.  thanks

 

good shooting

 


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 OKIE DOKIE!!, I am sure anxious to see whats coming here.
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

 

 

P.S. I have some Leupold scopes that have lasted a lifetime.

 

How have they lasted a lifetime if you ain't dead yet?

 

My $0.02:  I have had a few Leupys fail, so I don't like Leupold.

 

People I trust haven't embraced Millett's scope (with the slight exception of the CQB) so, rather than dropping the $ on that product, were I in the market for such a scope, I'd go with something with a very well established track record - like an SS or Bush 4200.

 

Optics is subjective - but only to a point.  Swarovski costs what it does because the glass and coatings aren't inexpensive, the design is great, and the workmanship is fantastic.  If Swaro becomes our benchmark for quality, hurray for Millett for making at least 1 scope that measures up to that standard for half the price.  Whomever said the Millett was better than the Swaro was a fool if he didn't buy that one scope.

 

My experience, with optics as with most other things, is that you get what you pay for.  There is a distinct reason Millett isn't in the $1000+ price range.

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I wouldn't say the Millett is a competitor for the Swaros, that being said though it is a very good product for the money (bargain) hard to beat it at the price. The SS is a very good buy as well and also a bargain. It wasn't long ago the SS had to go through the pains of it's namesake, but time has taken care of that misconception. Determination of the fine folks making the SS has done this. It would atleast appear that Millett is making those same strides, if so and the TRS makes the case, then Millett will be what few others have been able to become, the best you can get for it's appointed market. I for one welcome the headache of having to decide which product I really want and need. The more choices all the better, just my HO.
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Hi again,

 

 

In the past, I have owned and used Millett scopes.  At that time,  I wasn't impressed.  The optics were not that clear and it didn't hold zero that well.  They were not very high on my list of favorite scopes.  A friend of mine got a chance to test the Millett TRS-1 and asked my to help.  I thought oh,  another Millett.  I was bias against Millett and I admit it.  I got the biggest guns and best optics I could get my hands on for this test.  I used a 338/378 Weatherby with a Swarovski 6-24 scope for our first test.  This rifle shot a three shot group of 3/4" at 200yds.  With the Millett,  it shot a three shot group of 1"  I later found the front scope bases were loose  but it still shot a good group.  The first two shots were touching.  The next gun was a custom 338 Lapua Mag with a 6.5-20 Leupold Vari-X III.  The Millett out preformed the Leupold.  Next was my 300 Win Mag.  Millett out preformed my Tasco 8-40 custom.  Next was my 6.5/06 custom rifle.  this rifle has a Nightforce 12-42 BR scope riding on to.  Again the Millett out preformed it.  On my scopes, I had the magnification cranked all the way up.  I wasn't cutting Millett any slack.

 

To say I'm impressed with Millet scopes is an under statement!!!!!  I now have replaced my Leupold with a Millett on my 338 Lapua Mag.  To me,  that is saying something.  There is now 5 people I shoot with that have Millett scopes because of these test.  Even Jesse,  the guy with the 338/378 Weatherby Mag. 

 

 

Catch you later,

 

The Big Dog

 

 

 

P.S.    Steve,  keep up the good work. 

 

              Thanks,  The Big Dog 

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