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A quote from a guy I know regarding Kahles and their not being at SHOT:
"Still awesome glass...but here's some news. Kahles is done...didn't even show up at the show...while a stake is still owned by Swav, there is a definite disconnect. No US distributor either, as Legacy Sports has come and gone with Kahles..."

Confirm or deny?

I am in need of a good hunting optic and Kahles (is)was on that list.

And solid info?
Anyone?
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Ask Koshkin ...he was there
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Check with this gentleman.  He is the Kahles US rep.  Hermann Kloetzer at hkloetzer@comcast.net.  Legacy Internaiton provided me with the contact info about 2 months ago.
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Go to the Legacy Sports site get their # and call them to see if they still distribute Kahles scopes and if so, how warranty issues are handled.
 
If Legacy is no longer handling Kahles in the U.S. and no one else is either, then I wouldn`t buy a Kahles no matter how good the glass is.  Should anything go wrong and warranty work is needed, there may be no recourse. 
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I don't know about you, but that kind of makes me sad... While I REALLY want American companies to succeed, I don't like to see anyone, especially a high quality organization, fail. 
Depressing. 
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Kahles... bye bye?  That's not good. 
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when you say done, does that mean done in the usa, or done as in closed the factory cease to exsist done? if they are just quitting the us market, then  fine, you should still be able to send scopes to austria for service, while this is a huge inconvience they are still serviceable. i for one trust kahles manufacturing level, they found a kahles scope in the swiss alps that had been there for what 30yrs and it still worked like the day it came out of the factory. i wouldnt shy away from them somebody will pick them up if there is anything to pickup, as far as state side importing goes. if they closed the factory i guess there isnt any thing we can do about that.
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I had a discussion about this with the Swaro rep at a recent show locally.  He said he didn't know what the future of Kahles would be in the states, but that the company itself wasn't going anywhere, from what he was told.  He said the brand never gained the popularity here as in Europe.
 
Regardless of what they decide on US-based distribution and customer service, I highly doubt that in the future you wouldn't be able to get service on a scope, but it may entail sending it to Austria.  I can understand the concern about future service, but on the bright side, this uncertainty means that you can get great pricing on Kahles scopes at the moment.  If I were interested in a particular Kahles scope and it was priced right, I personally wouldn't let this sway me from getting one, in the same way I wouldn't hesitate to buy a nice vintage scope in good condition, again, if the price is right.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a nice vintage scope in good condition, again, if the price is right.
 
THAT is why they never gained tremendous popularity here.  Competition in a very narrow price range...
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They were not at the SHOT Show and my understanding was that Swarovski was going to keep the rights to the Kahles name only.
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On Snipers Hide...

"News Flash
- Rumor has it that Kahles, long the unwanted stepchild of Swarovski (but still owned by them) has been bought by Leica and commissioned to lauch a new series of proprietary Leica riflescopes .....I have no further info, but I wouldn't get too excited, while likely having novelty and killer glass, I doubt Leica's ability to field scopes with features that make sense to real shooters....but time will tell."
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Leica and Kahles...together......sign me up!
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

A quote from a guy I know regarding Kahles and their not being at SHOT:
"Still awesome glass...but here's some news. Kahles is done...didn't even show up at the show...while a stake is still owned by Swav, there is a definite disconnect. No US distributor either, as Legacy Sports has come and gone with Kahles..."

Confirm or deny?

I am in need of a good hunting optic and Kahles (is)was on that list.

And solid info?
Anyone?


I've posted this a couple of times in the past. If you want info and not rumors try contacting the US Rep for Kahles.

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Here's the latest about Kahles Service and Repair.

The 866-606-8779 number is not for SONA, it's for Kahles. There's one Kahles rep here in the states, Herman, and the 866 number is now directed to his home office in New Hampshire.

If you need  to send the scope back, send it to Kahles Repair PO Box 21004, Cranston, RI 02920-1004 and not the SONA address (which is also in Cranston, RI). This PO Box address is a staging area at the US Post Office where about once a week or so (depending on how much product has accumulated) everything is collected by SONA personnel who in turn repackage and send back to Kahles in Austria for repair.

The email address is correct.
info@kahles.at

I would suggest calling or emailing Kahles before sending the scope to the address provided.




Edited by mike650 - January/27/2009 at 19:09
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I'll call and see what's up.


I need a good scope (but not too good scope) for my son's b-day .308 rifle, and this would be a nice fit.


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Rancid let us know what you come up with.  Thanks
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I'll call and see what's up.


I need a good scope (but not too good scope) for my son's b-day .308 rifle, and this would be a nice fit.




Cool, please update!! The info I supplied is just over a month old and may have changed again. Whacko


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I currently own a Helia C 3-12x56 and a Helia CS 3-12x56. Got super buys on both.

If I could find the same deal on another one, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Awesome glass.

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that would certainly be intresting if they hooked up with leica
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Called Herman, got a voicemail, left a message, will let you know where it goes.

That alone makes me nervous, reminds me of the darker IOR days of the infamous "Customer Service" answering machine.


I will update when I have details.
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UPDATE

I just got off the phone with Herman and have some info, straight from the Kahles US rep.

Kahles has been and coninues to be wholly owned by Swarovski.
Swaro announced last year that they were going to sell Kahles but did not.
This caused a market ripple, the US importer decided not to continue with Kahles, Kahles has no importer at this time.
Swaro has now decided NOT to sell Kahles, they will remain a Swaro company.
Kahles is now searching for a new importer.
Any Kahles optic is fully warrantied and, if repairs are required, ship the optic to the US address, it will be shipped to Austria for repairs, and you will get it back eventually.

This is straight from Herman.

Swaro owns them, Swaro will contiue to own them, they go to Austria for repairs.

Decisions, decisions!

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well i guess that means they will continue to make there scopes, just sucks if one ever has any issues.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

UPDATE

I just got off the phone with Herman and have some info, straight from the Kahles US rep.

Kahles has been and coninues to be wholly owned by Swarovski.
Swaro announced last year that they were going to sell Kahles but did not.
This caused a market ripple, the US importer decided not to continue with Kahles, Kahles has no importer at this time.
Swaro has now decided NOT to sell Kahles, they will remain a Swaro company.
Kahles is now searching for a new importer.
Any Kahles optic is fully warrantied and, if repairs are required, ship the optic to the US address, it will be shipped to Austria for repairs, and you will get it back eventually.

This is straight from Herman.

Swaro owns them, Swaro will contiue to own them, they go to Austria for repairs.

Decisions, decisions!



Thanks RC!!  Thunbs Up
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Thanks for the intel, RC!Excellent
 
I've had nothing but great experiences with my Kahles scopes.  They are excellent optically, fully on par with just about any of the other high end brands, and I've never had a single problem.  Even if they never find a new US importer, I still wouldn't hesitate to buy another one, especially now, with current pricing being so good.  Kahles suffered from a name recognition problem here, not being as well-established as Swaro and Zeiss in the States, and the average hunter rarely saw any advertising for them or product on store shelves.  That's a shame, as they make as good an optic as anyone.
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Thanks for the update. I now have much more confidence in the Kahles I just bought and about to mount.
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Originally posted by Stein3282 Stein3282 wrote:

Thanks for the update. I now have much more confidence in the Kahles I just bought and about to mount.
 
I hope you didn't buy the one I wanted! Shocked
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