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What is the optical difference between the different lines of Kahles scopes? Would say the American Hunter have the same optics as the Helia c or cl? Can anyone educate me on this topic? thanks
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I have had 3 Kahles scopes. The American Hunter is the same glass as the new KX. The CL is better than the AH. I dont know about the C series but I would assume it is as good or better than the CL series. Good luck.
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Great to best: AH(KX), CL, C.
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thaks for the helpful info. by all means i wont beat that horse anymore! new on here and guess i missed the thread
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 Actually it does cross my mind as to how we come to these conclusions.  Is it EVERYONE'S opinion that the CL has better glass than the AH and KX?  Do we know for sure that they are not the same glass?  Just wondering.  Sometimes we get caught up in what we are told rather than having actual experience in a matter. The horse is dead so it won't hurt to beat it further.........Doug
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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

That horse has been beat to death on here. In a nutshell, the AH (now KX) is very good but not as good as the C series. 
 
that doesnt matter if a newbie wants to ask about something like that they can and actually anybody can there are no dumb questions here


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That's true, no dumb questions-but there sure are a lot of dumb statements!!! Big%20Smile
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while i may not see it as beating a dead horse, i will throw out there that the search function will help answer a lot of questions, if you can get an answer from that please by all means make a post
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I only have the C models but here is what O.T. has to say

2008 Riflescope Rating Scale

10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory

9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender

8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C.,  Zeiss Classic

7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada

6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest

I believe all of the scopes use the same glass and coatings. Because of mechanical differences like side focus, which adds lenses, there is a difference.
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Originally posted by dougedwards dougedwards wrote:

 Actually it does cross my mind as to how we come to these conclusions.  Is it EVERYONE'S opinion that the CL has better glass than the AH and KX?  Do we know for sure that they are not the same glass?  Just wondering.  Sometimes we get caught up in what we are told rather than having actual experience in a matter. The horse is dead so it won't hurt to beat it further.........Doug
 
Hi, Doug.  Before I bought my CL and C (actually, it is a CB, which is a C with lit reticle), I both emailed and called Kahles, and they told me that the difference between the AH/KX and CL is in the optical design, not in glass and coatings.  All Kahles scopes use the same glass and "AMV" coatings.  Kahles told me that the CL has better resolution than AH/KX because of larger diameter internal lenses and better correction of optical aberrations from improved grind profile of the complex objective lens elements.  I have compared my CL to my 2 AH's and I concur that it is a little better optically, though the difference isn't huge.  KX is a very good value, and the discontinued AH is an especially good value if you can find a good used or demo, since it is essentially the same as KX.  What surprised me is the fact that the CL is optically just as good as the C series from what I can tell. 
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For some reason I am having some problem with using the search section but quickly RifleDude answered my question and I am thankful for that.  I hope RifleDude's response helped to answer your question also jgm1981.......Doug
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

That horse has been beat to death on here. In a nutshell, the AH (now KX) is very good but not as good as the C series. 
 
that doesnt matter if a newbie wants to ask about something like that they can and actually anybody can there are no dumb questions here
 
 
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My questions have been more than answered. i thank all of you whom applied with your information on the subject. I will most deffinately surf the threads next time to prevent repeat discussions..
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

while i may not see it as beating a dead horse, i will throw out there that the search function will help answer a lot of questions, if you can get an answer from that please by all means make a post
 
 Maybe someone can help me utilize this Search function.  When I try to pull up a topic of lets say..........Swarovski AV.  Basically what it does is pull every thread that contains the two letters.....av.....such as in the word hAVe....or gAVe in the body of the post.   Anywhere the two letters are side by side doesn't matter that other letters are around it in a word.  This could be a tedious process trying to find info on any certain subject wouldn't you say?  Help please.......Doug
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Originally posted by dougedwards dougedwards wrote:

 Maybe someone can help me utilize this Search function.  When I try to pull up a topic of lets say..........Swarovski AV.  Basically what it does is pull every thread that contains the two letters.....av.....such as in the word hAVe....or gAVe in the body of the post.   Anywhere the two letters are side by side doesn't matter that other letters are around it in a word.  This could be a tedious process trying to find info on any certain subject wouldn't you say?  Help please.......Doug
 
When you click on the search function, you will see "Advanced Search" at the bottom of the little window that pops up.  Click on this.  In Advanced Search, you can select "Match All words," "Match Any Words," and "Match Phrase" for your keyword search.  Try using either "Match All Words" or "Match Phrase," which should better refine your search criteria.  
 
 
 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by dougedwards dougedwards wrote:

 Maybe someone can help me utilize this Search function.  When I try to pull up a topic of lets say..........Swarovski AV.  Basically what it does is pull every thread that contains the two letters.....av.....such as in the word hAVe....or gAVe in the body of the post.   Anywhere the two letters are side by side doesn't matter that other letters are around it in a word.  This could be a tedious process trying to find info on any certain subject wouldn't you say?  Help please.......Doug
 
When you click on the search function, you will see "Advanced Search" at the bottom of the little window that pops up.  Click on this.  In Advanced Search, you can select "Match All words," "Match Any Words," and "Match Phrase" for your keyword search.  Try using either "Match All Words" or "Match Phrase," which should better refine your search criteria.  
 
 Ahaaaaaa......I now see the lightThunbs%20Up  thanks a bunch........Doug
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Originally posted by jgm1981 jgm1981 wrote:

What is the optical difference between the different lines of Kahles scopes? Would say the American Hunter have the same optics as the Helia c or cl? Can anyone educate me on this topic? thanks


I was wrong, one of mine is a CSX 1.1-4x24 with the illuminated circle-dot. It is outstanding in low light.
If you are thinking about one of their scopes it gets you into the top dog club. Most mid-priced scopes can give you plenty of scope for day light hunting. In heavy cover with a lot of obstructions or in near darkness are where a scope like a Kahles pay great dividends.

Doug
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