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I am curious, since Kahles is leaving Swarovski, are their warranties still good on the current Kahles scopes that are on sale? If so, where do you send these scopes to get repaired now?   I also got a chance to look through a Kahles CL and it did have nice resoloution but it was very finicky about head position, you had to line your eye up exactly dead center and the right eye relief or you couldnt see at all. IS this normal? I didnt like the plex because it was too thin, does the 4a reticle have thicker outer lines thant the plex or is it just like the plex minus the top bold line?
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Right now calls are being fielded by a company rep in NH and scopes are being sent out of the country for service or warranty work. They will eventually be based out of Nevada and under legacy's banner. Would hope at that point a stateside warranty and service center would become reality. As a conquest owner the eye position and fine reticle/light reflecting issues have kept me from joining the ranks of the kahles owners. If they had a reticle like the z-plex and a little more forgiving eye box I would own one right now.

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-44.... when I first looked thru my CL I thought the same thing.  A couple days later I got a 4200 and I got them both out and looked thru them.  Now neither of these are mounted on rifles........ The CL didn't seem near as "picky" and was actually better than the 4200.  I got the rifle out that I'm going to be mounting the CL on and looked thru the scope and they all seem pretty much seem the same. 
 
Also, to me, the reticle really isn't that thin, compared to the ones I all ready have.  It should work just fine for my situation.  As a note, a couple years ago, while sitting in a tree stand during rifle season that was located in timber,  I decided I didn't like this set-up.  It was a perfect set-up for bow hunting, as you need the deer to be very close in order to shoot it, but with a rifle, you can reach out to 250 yds.  I felt I was severily restricting my chances by confining my shot to only 50 yds or so.  I hunt in an area that gets pretty good preasure so deer are sometimes running around!  Now we set our treestands on the edge of timber so we can see out away from the trees.   We try to clear a shooting path in case one tries to sneak thru the woods, but this past year all the deer we saw were in the open!  I'm posting this because this affects how thick a reticle I need.  I'm not in the middle of dark timber, so I don't need a thick post.
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TIP69, which 4200 model did you get to compare it with and how does the 4200 compare optically (brightness in low light and resoloution) to the KAHLES? Is the Kales reticle etched or can you tell?
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3-9X40..... I've only had time to compare them from sitting in a chair inside my house and looking outside.  I could not tell much of a difference, but not a very good test!  I'm sure the CL will be better in low light, but I haven't confirmed that yet.  The best part of the CL
(3-10X50) is the FOV....much wider than the 4200.  Just trying to figure out what rifle to put the 4200 on.  Not sure about the reticle.
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Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

As a conquest owner the eye position and fine reticle/light reflecting issues have kept me from joining the ranks of the kahles owners. If they had a reticle like the z-plex and a little more forgiving eye box I would own one right now. 
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FWIW...
After reading all the comments about Kahles reticles changing colors to bronze under certain light sources, speculation that they may be metal reticles instead of etched and the "unforgiving eye box," I compared my Zeiss Conquest 4X32 and my Kahles CL 2-7X36 head to head, specifically looking for these issues, and here's what I found:
 -- both the Conquest and CL reticles had the same sharply defined, dark black appearance when viewed at a target without a light source shining from behind the shooter toward the eyepiece side of the scope.  Both were solid black most of the time, and under most light conditions at which you would make a shot at game.
-- BOTH the Conquest and CL reticles DID appear bronze colored when panning across a dark background and/or with light source from behind your head toward the eyepiece.  They are both etched reticles (more on this later), so I assume this bronze color is either due to the effects of reflections off lens coatings or maybe they use a metallic based substance to fill in the etched surface of the glass, certainly not from a metal reticle.  Both showed exactly the same degree of color change as the other, BTW, and under the same conditions.
-- I do like the Conquest Z-Plex better than the Kahles plex, because the Z-Plex has thicker outer posts and a more open central crosshair section.  Therefore, the plex would not be my first choice reticle in a Kahles CL or KX scope if I were looking for a good low light reticle.  I would opt for the 4A instead, which has just as thick, if not thicker posts as on the Z-Plex.
-- I would have to agree the Zeiss did have a more forgiving "eye box" than the Kahles, but not by a huge margin, and the difference is more noticeable when the scopes aren't mounted on a rifle.  Part of this is due to the fact Conquests have more eye relief than the equivalent Kahles' across the board.  When the Kahles is mounted on a rifle, I noticed no issues with this at all, and the full FOV is immediately there when shouldering the rifle, as long as the scope is positioned correctly on the rifle to begin with.
-- What the Kahles gives up in eye relief and eye box (not a huge margin), it makes up with larger field of view.  The Kahles CL and KX scopes have 15 - 20% more FOV than Conquests of the same magnification.
-- There may be some metal reticles in the KX line, but the entire CL line has etched reticles just like all their 30mm scopes.  Here is a scan from their catalog:
 
 


Edited by RifleDude - January/28/2008 at 18:35
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Dave44,
Sorry for hijacking your thread.  Since the subject of the reticle and eyebox was mentioned, I thought this was a good time to dispel some misconceptions about these scopes.  I'm sure the warranty will still be honored after the change to Legacy Sports as their distributor, because only the US distributor is changing; the current scope lineup will still be manufactured and the parent company in Vienna isn't changing.
 
Focus, I hoped to alleviate your concerns as well, as I feel the scope has been unfairly criticized for "reticles changing colors," since I own both scopes and compared them side by side.  I honestly noticed no difference whatsoever when comparing the Conquest and Kahles CL reticles in the exact same light conditions.  By the way, nothing at all wrong with Conquest scopes; I love them. Thunbs%20Up
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