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I'm looking to upgrade from a Leupy VX II on my Tikka 7mm-08 for use on eastern whitetails from contact range to 300 yds. Low light performance is very important. For the same money, would I be better off with a new Kahles 3-9x40 KX or a used Swaro 3-9x36 off the sample list? I would really like a Swaro 3-9x42 but can't afford a new one, and used ones don't seem to hit the sample list very often.
 
Also, how much better are the Kahles and 36 mm Swaro compared to a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40? Thanks.
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I'll take the kahles and swaro over the conquest, but it's your money.  If you can find either on the sample list, even better.

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Go with a Kahles CL off the Sample List.  3-10x50 MZs are around 750...
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I love my Swaro. It is noticably better than my Conquest.  Don't have a Kahles to compare it to.
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Thanks for the advice but I really want to stay with a 40 mm or smaller objective and keep my low ring height.

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A swaro av 3-9x36 would be great on a 7-08.
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damn, there isn't going to be a swaro 3-9X36 left by the time I can afford the darn thing.  Sad
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

A swaro av 3-9x36 would be great on a 7-08.
 
I agree, but do you think it would be better than the Kahles KX 3-9x40? Thanks.
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

damn, there isn't going to be a swaro 3-9X36 left by the time I can afford the darn thing.  Sad
 
So talk me into the Kahles and there will still be a swaro left. Wink
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i wont do thatWhistling sorry your on your own with that one, too close to call for me
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I would say a 42 mm bell is no different than a 40 mm.  I have both bell sizes and for the price of a KX you can have the CL glass and side focus. 
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Kahles Customer Service is not quite as rock-solid as Swaro right now (the important part is, "right now."  It may change for the better, or for the worse.)  Such issues carry some weight with me.


I'd get the Swaro, hell, I might get the last one before you can, I need a new one too!
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Any of those would look great compared to your VX II.  I compared the Swaro, Conquest, and a Kahles CL.  I bought the Kahles but didn't keep it.  Didn't hold zero.  I'd go with the Swaro.
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Originally posted by brodeur272 brodeur272 wrote:

I would say a 42 mm bell is no different than a 40 mm.  I have both bell sizes and for the price of a KX you can have the CL glass and side focus. 
 
Sorry brodeur, I'm not following you. We were talking about a 3-9x36 Swaro and a 3-9x40 Kahles. Where does the 42mm bell come in?
 
Also, what do you mean about getting CL glass and side focus for the price of a KX? Loco 
Thanks,
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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

Any of those would look great compared to your VX II.  I compared the Swaro, Conquest, and a Kahles CL.  I bought the Kahles but didn't keep it.  Didn't hold zero.  I'd go with the Swaro.
 
Thanks for the heads up on the Kahles. I hate to hear it wouldn't hold zero, especially given the uncertainty surrounding their CS right now. What did you have it mounted on?
Thanks,
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The reason I don't allready have that Swaro is because I bought 2 of the CL's first.  A 3-10X50 CL and a 2-7X36.  The 50mm is mounted on my go to deer rifle and its amazing!  Its unreal in low-light!!!  I bought the 36mm to put on my son't deer rifle, but I just picked up a Rem 700 Mountain LSS in .260.  Now I'm not sure what to do!
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

The reason I don't allready have that Swaro is because I bought 2 of the CL's first.  A 3-10X50 CL and a 2-7X36.  The 50mm is mounted on my go to deer rifle and its amazing!  Its unreal in low-light!!!  I bought the 36mm to put on my son't deer rifle, but I just picked up a Rem 700 Mountain LSS in .260.  Now I'm not sure what to do!
 
Well that's easy. Put it on your .260 and buy him something else. Let him buy his own Kahles. Wink
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Wesgar...I'am blessed in that I own both a Swaro (3x12x50) and a Kahles in 3x9x42. Both of these scopes have incredible glass and are worth saving up for if need be. I got the Swaro with my Blaser and it is one light gathering scope with awsome clarity. The Kahles is on my Cooper 243 and the gun is deadly out to 300-350 yards. Notice I said the gun !!! LOL Really though, I have other scopes including a Bushnell and lately a Weaver for my rimfire Kimber (unmounted so far) and nothing has glass as clear in all light as the Swaro. Kahles is a close second and I bought Kahles binos because I liked their scope so well. I am not overly concerned about the warranty on the Kahles as their products are really pretty bullet proof. I really recommend checking the Samplelist as that is where I just got my Swaro LRF at a really great price!!!! The folks at SWFA also take care of us that shop with them as I've already experienced.
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I have a Kahles CL and have not had any problems with the zero shifting.  It is currently mounted on a Model 70 Classic Featherweight chambered in 308 Win.  Excellent low light performance. 
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Originally posted by wesgar wesgar wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

The reason I don't allready have that Swaro is because I bought 2 of the CL's first.  A 3-10X50 CL and a 2-7X36.  The 50mm is mounted on my go to deer rifle and its amazing!  Its unreal in low-light!!!  I bought the 36mm to put on my son't deer rifle, but I just picked up a Rem 700 Mountain LSS in .260.  Now I'm not sure what to do!
 
Well that's easy. Put it on your .260 and buy him something else. Let him buy his own Kahles. Wink
 
This is what I'm not sure about.... do I get the Swaro or something with longer eye relief like the Zeiss Conquest 3-9X40?
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Now I'am worried !!! Any body else have any problems with their Kahles not holding zero ??
That sucks !
 
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what are you worried about?  
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The Kahles CL has a 42 mm objective on the 3-9x.  If you can find one on the sample list, I'd go for that.  The 42 isn't that much bigger than the 40 mm.  The CL is also further up the product line than the KX series.
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My Kahles have held zero well.  Very pleased with them.
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I have NEVER had any problems with either of my Kahles scopes holding zero...and, quite frankly, I find them to gather light better than my Swarovski.
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