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What is the best value out of these?  Want something to shoot at first light and last along with clarity etc...  What will the kahles get me over the ziess and what will the swaro get me over the kahels?
 
kahles kx 3-9x42                             $669.95
 
swarovski american 3-10x42           $968.95
 
ziess conquest 3-9x40                    $449.95
 
 
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The zeiss is the best value, but I think you'll find that the kx has better optics and the swaro is a step above the kx.  Its just a matter of deminishing returns, as always to take that next step up usually requires an increasing amount of investment.  Yes the swaro and kx are better scopes than the zeiss, but I believe the zeiss is the best value.

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how about any of these:  from the sampelist
 
5320 Kahles 3-9x42 American Hunter 51902, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, ring marks, multiple scratches and dings on tube. $792.00 $449.95
 
4956 Kahles 3.5-10x50 American Hunter Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus eye piece, ring marks. $806.00 $599.95
7114 Swarovski 3-9x36 American Light Weight 52040, Matte finish, one inch tube, plex reticle, fast focus shock absorbing eye piece, resettable windage & elevation, light ring marks. $940.00 $649.95
9145 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest 5214309920, Matte finish, Z-plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks $875.00 $599.95
 
 
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I have a couple of the Conquests and low light has NEVER ben an issue! Spend wisely - go Zeiss.
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i bought a conquest 3-9x40 with a #4 for 405$ with free shipping, whcih is a better value than anything else you listed and wont cost you a single deer do to performance
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Originally posted by wildnorthern wildnorthern wrote:

What is the best value out of these?  Want something to shoot at first light and last along with clarity etc...  What will the kahles get me over the ziess and what will the swaro get me over the kahels?
 
kahles kx 3-9x42                             $669.95
 
swarovski american 3-10x42           $968.95
 
ziess conquest 3-9x40                    $449.95
 
 


IMHO, the Kahles would get you nothing over the Zeiss or the Swarovski you listed.

The Zeiss is the best bang for buck amongst the three listed.

The Swarovski is the better scope as well as customer service and warranty.




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I have never owned any of the three you ask about, but I have a 3.5-10x,44 Zeiss Conquest. I have used it for several years. The image is bright and clear; shooting at dawn or dusk is not a problem.

I chose the 44mm objective because it gives you 21% more light than a 40mm objective, and 10% more than a 42mm objective. I think a 3.5-10x,44 will be as bright as either the Helia KX or Swaro AV with their 42mm objectives.

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I own Zeiss Conquest and Swaro AH.  I really like the Conquest - it is a great deal in a scope - I really love the Swaro, worth every additional penny, in my opinion: brighter, clearer, better optics, better controls, great reticle (ballisitic reticle.)

If I had the need and the money, I'd buy the Swaro over the Conquest.  If the Swaro is too much, the Conquest is still a great scope.
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as a side note, can you tom or anyone else tell me the % stats. for the 50mm and 56mm lens for light gathering as compared to the 40mm. thanks.
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To the best of my knowledge, it really doesn't work that way, a %.  All the larger objective does for you is to allow the use of higher mag - like 9X vs 6x - all other factors being equal.  Has to do with how wide your eye will dialate, which is usually like 7mm I think!  Any amount above that is wasted - so to speak, because your eye can't take advantage of it. 

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rooshooter just square the radius of each lens and compare the differences.
 
Example:
the 40 mm -  Radius is 20 or 400 square mm
the 50 mm -  Radius is 25 or  625 square mm 
- difference between these is 225 square mm or 56%
 
And yes, all else being equal it just allows you to use higher mag while maintaining a good exit pupil.
 
40mm at 8X = 5mm exit
50mm at 10x = 5mm exit


Edited by Dogger - October/16/2008 at 11:24
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