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Any update with motobie's 624i? I'm curious if he was able to get a replacement that was better.
CA is till prevalent in the Gen 3's. QC issue or still using a flawed design?  
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My gen2 has far less CA than my gen1 did, I haven't bothered to look at the gen3.

Not sure whatever happened to/with motobie.
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I just sent a Gen 3 back to Customer Service because of CA. I'm hoping mine was a defect and not the norm. I'm thinking Hensoldt if all the Gen 3's have this. Maybe even a Zeiss V8 4.8-35X60 if I can remove the pin in the Zero Stop for more elevation. If it has a pin. lol

 

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Vortex gen2 razer is a nice scope for the money. Take a look before you make a final decision.

Not that Hensoldt is any slouch.

Who is servicing Hensoldt now?
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I tried the Gen 2 Razor. Not all that impressed with the glass.
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I just read a series of reviews on the Gen3 Kahles.  CA was the common complaint.  The only place I know of right now for Hensold repair is Cassidian Optronics.

from there they have several contact listings.  

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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I just read a series of reviews on the Gen3 Kahles.  CA was the common complaint.  The only place I know of right now for Hensold repair is Cassidian Optronics.

from there they have several contact listings.  



I was just told by Kahles that CA is common also with Hensoldt, S&B and Premier and I shouldn't notice it if I don't look for it. Loco  Is my Loco unwarranted?
Also, it's a "by-product of high light transmission." Funny how I don't hear any complaints about CA with Zeiss HT or anything Zeiss for that matter. My HD5 or Razor Gen 2 didn't have any.  
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I have the Hensoldt 6-24x72 that my wife purchased for me… CA is non-existent with it.  I've not noticed it in any of the other Hensoldt's I've had my hands on… a few… I've done extensive experimentation with my scope at all light levels, in all types of weather.   Just isn't there.  
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I have the Hensoldt 6-24x72 that my wife purchased for me… CA is non-existent with it.  I've not noticed it in any of the other Hensoldt's I've had my hands on… a few… I've done extensive experimentation with my scope at all light levels, in all types of weather.   Just isn't there.  


As I expected.
How's the 6-24X72 working for you? My concern is mounting the scope,eye/cheek positioning with such a large objective.
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Who said CA is common with all the good stuff? Who, specifically?

Whomever, it is BS.
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Nick, a Kahles rep.
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I would avoid trusting Nick too much.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I would avoid trusting Nick too much.


I don't at all. Too much B.S. I hope he isn't the one responsible for my return.
If my scope is returned in the same condition I'm going the Hensoldt route.
 
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A friend has the Hensoldt 6-24x72 SFP, nice scope, great image, HUGE!

I have a 3-12x56 that I love.
The Zeiss FL is no slouch.
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I'm definitely considering the Hensoldt. Does the Zeiss FL have enough elevation for about 1200yrds?
(338L Improved)
More great advice from Kahles. In reference to my white targets and CA. "But once you start looking at other objects/targets you'll appreciate the rest of the optic for the other capabilities." 

Now I have to get less contrasty, preferably not white targets so I can appreciate the scope. lol
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Originally posted by Scottyman Scottyman wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I have the Hensoldt 6-24x72 that my wife purchased for me… CA is non-existent with it.  I've not noticed it in any of the other Hensoldt's I've had my hands on… a few… I've done extensive experimentation with my scope at all light levels, in all types of weather.   Just isn't there.  


As I expected.
How's the 6-24X72 working for you? My concern is mounting the scope,eye/cheek positioning with such a large objective.
Near Alphamount...Works great for me...

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I do agree that CA is most noticeable when shooting at a high contrast target, but disagree that other good stuff has as much CA as Kahles 6-24. Having owned the gen1, it had CA in excess. The gen2 has significantly less CA (mine, at least), but it was still present. I ain't ponying up for the gen3. I love the parallax adjustment - at least in principle.

My gen2 K624i will probably be my last Kahles. It is a thoroughly serviceable scope, but they just aren't worth the asking price. If the parallax adjustment worked better, and the CA was gone, and the image resolution was MUCH better, I'd consider; but the whole " fool me twice" thing just bugs me.

I'd look elsewhere.

Hensoldt is still the best image I have had, vortex gen2 Razer is quite good (mine), my trusty heritage 3-15 is still among the best ever. I actually have 2 scopes with no rifles for now, so I gotta get shopping!
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I do agree that CA is most noticeable when shooting at a high contrast target, but disagree that other good stuff has as much CA as Kahles 6-24. Having owned the gen1, it had CA in excess. The gen2 has significantly less CA (mine, at least), but it was still present. I ain't ponying up for the gen3. I love the parallax adjustment - at least in principle.

My gen2 K624i will probably be my last Kahles. It is a thoroughly serviceable scope, but they just aren't worth the asking price. If the parallax adjustment worked better, and the CA was gone, and the image resolution was MUCH better, I'd consider; but the whole " fool me twice" thing just bugs me.

I'd look elsewhere.

Hensoldt is still the best image I have had, vortex gen2 Razer is quite good (mine), my trusty heritage 3-15 is still among the best ever. I actually have 2 scopes with no rifles for now, so I gotta get shopping!

You need a NEMO OMEN Watchman 2.0… 
just sayin'...
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I really might.
And/or a TRG 42 in 338L.
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Either is excellent… both is better...
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I really might.
And/or a TRG 42 in 338L.

You are going to get a nice rifle.

I have a few mounts I dumped my 42 but kept a few mounts I had for it 20moa and 30moa when you need them...

I think i misplaced the MB I had mine threaded for a OPS Inc .338 can and dumped the package.
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It’s been awhile since this was updated, and a few points need to be made.

1. When I first wrote this, I think $$ invested played a role in perceived value. “The glass must be great for what I paid”, the flaw is now clear to me.

2. I started reviewing with limited time on scope in real world use. A 20-round box test run in 10 minutes or so is no longer a qualifying event for my optics thoughts. It is a part, for sure; but some flaws take a bit more time to really become obvious.

3. I still like the turrets and they do track true. I still like the concept of the parallax but it is picky as hell in actual use.

4. Kahles knows they made a bad line and they refused to stand behind it, that really doesn’t sit well with me. This scope is serviceable, but at an almost S&B and Hensoldt price, it is lightyears behind what it should be.

5. The Henny in my review is still the overall favorite, just no flaws in almost 10 years of use. The Premier went to the sample list due to Premier closing up shop, and a Tangent Theta took its place. The TT is now my second favorite, with the gen2 razor HD 3-18 running a distant third.

6. The “everything has CA” is like a Jag dealer telling you all brands are unreliable, it just ain’t true.

7. Kahles did address some of the complaints from the gen1 and gen2 days, leading to what is probably a better scope. Know that if you buy it, it might be okay. And if it isn’t good luck getting them to care.

Lastly, with some time behind a Henny 6-24x72, I do love that scope. If they weren’t in a gray are for long term service, i’d have one. It is huge and bulky and really messes with weapon balance, but damn it is a fine optic.
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hi RC

im new here, and interested in kahles scopes in general, and the k16i in particular.

what does " ca " mean? I didn't read the entire thread so not sure. also, what is your assessment of the latest kahles 624i ? besides the 3-18 coming out soon, do you know of any other scopes they are selling in the US right now?

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CA stands for chromatic aberration.  CA fringes are color artefacts around sharp high contrast edges you see in scopes (more common at higher magnifications).

Kahles is slowly revamping their product lines.  At the moment they are selling K624i 6-24x50, K105i 10-50x56 and K16i 1-6x24.

K318i 3-18x50 should be available around mid year and I expect that it will be followed later by other designs loosely based on the same erector system.

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Nice that this thread is back up and running. I forgot how badass RC is in his observations!
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