By there website it looks like Kahles is going to try it again. Hope they can find someone with an IQ above 10 for a marketing director this time around.

KAHLES is back!

Our products are offerd by several Online dealers.

Dear Kahles Partner,

In order to offer the best KAHLES service please call the customer warranty service for Kahles Phone (866) 606-8779

Repairs can be sent to:
Kahles Service Center,
2 Slater Rd, Cranston, RI 02920

Full circle back to Swarovski's SONA address, the number is probably answered by the same group.

mike650 wrote: Full circle back to Swarovski's SONA address, the number is probably answered by the same group.

Any of you guys at SWFA know any info on this you can share?

Checked out the models they have available at their online dealers and it doesn't appear that the Helia C, CBX or CS line is available.  They list a new K line whose specs seem a bit similar to the Z6 line. 

I googled and found them listed elsewhere with prices  Talk about paying for the name...... I just don't see how they will last any time at all, again.

Looks like they're going up against the Swarovski, Zeiss and S&B lines again...

brodeur272 wrote: Looks like they're going up against the Swarovski, Zeiss and S&B lines again...

Makes alot of sense doesn't it?  Especially when Swaro is also their service rep here in the US?  That's a ridiculous arrangement if you ask me. 

Strike three...they're out! Dumb Masses. 

They really are just plain not thinking this through.  The used market on khales has already taken a hit because of not having a service center in the US.  Now they bring back that but they want to price to high, the scopes they would compete directly against have history in the US and no signs of ever not but yet given the history of Khales you could buy one today and tomorrow there be no way to get it serviced if it broke in the US.  They really should have came in a extremely good prices and they could have captured back some market share and then slowly raised prices as needed but at what they are now, I don't see them lasting any longer than they did with Gamo last.

I'm definitely going to be watching.  Right now the vendors they have don't all have the same product.   One or two similar items, but the rest are different.  Some of them aren't listed on their website either...  Hmmmmmm.

Why would anyone buy from such a incompetent dysfunctional company like this?
There is no way I would buy anything from them after reading what has been said on this forum about them.

I like Kahles scopes and they have some very well sorted out stuff coming to US.  I think they have their niche and they are easily among my favourite high end brands.

rustic wrote: Why would anyone buy from such a incompetent dysfunctional company like this? There is no way I would buy anything from them after reading what has been said on this forum about them.

Because they make excellent scopes.  Right up there with the best from Swaro and Zeiss for a lot less money.  

koshkin wrote: I like Kahles scopes and they have some very well sorted out stuff coming to US.  I think they have their niche and they are easily among my favourite high end brands. ILya

Amazing, talk about giving a pass. Everything I have read on this forum about this company like not backing their product, where are they built at... no one seems to know, are they even still in business, and so on.
I must be missing something??
It seems to me a better investment would in a compatent stable companys product.

supertool73 wrote: rustic wrote: Why would anyone buy from such a incompetent dysfunctional company like this? There is no way I would buy anything from them after reading what has been said on this forum about them. Because they make excellent scopes.  Right up there with the best from Swaro and Zeiss for a lot less money.

Given what i have seen from the new scope prices they won't be less, if anything equal to or more.  They do have great glass, but with no firm footing in the US industry not sure they will survive. I'm not knocking Khales, i want them to succed, more competition is better for the consumer.  And the prices may come down once they get more vendors stocking them.  I would still buy one of the older khales scopes if i knew it was in good working condition.  Heck i missed out on one on the samplelist a few weeks ago.... really wanted it too but it didn't last the weekend.

There are too many excellent scope makers with great products nowadays for me to be the least bit interested in what Kahles is up to.  They've proven to me to be ADD or something.  They could drop off the planet and nobody I know would care including me.  Just my opinion.  

Why buy a Kahles for $2500 when you can get a similar Leica ER for $1000 less.

Those Leica scopes are excellent.

This is a little confusing.

supertool73 wrote: rustic wrote: Why would anyone buy from such a incompetent dysfunctional company like this? There is no way I would buy anything from them after reading what has been said on this forum about them. Because they make excellent scopes.  Right up there with the best from Swaro and Zeiss for a lot less money.

They aren't priced like they used to be anymore bro.  I agree they did and do make great scopes. I don't know why Rustic is saying he has never read anything good on them here. I have always like them and can't remember the last time one broke. I have always been a Kahles fan. The warranty was non existent in the US for a while but I still bought one, loved it, and never had an issue with it. I can see where some people would like for them to be totally back on their feet in the US before giving them another shot, but I wouldn't question the product itself. I still to this day wouldn't pass up one of the older models at their going rate even without warranty if it fit the bill of what I needed in a scope. They will have some MIL reticles with MIL Clockwise and CCW knobs for everyone that has been wanting a "Tactical Swarovski" They will also be $2,000+ for those models.

I actually found this post that Doug posted to Rustic.

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The Kahles scopes I have are extremely tough hunting scopes with excellent optics and mechanics. They have done everything, and far more, than the Leos, Burris, Nikon and B&L/Bushnell I have used through the years. Alpha glass is not just for targets. Search the SWFA web site and I think that you will find that the Euro scopes from S&B, Zeiss, Swarovski and others are far more for hunting than target. It is one thing if you want to hump the Leo dogs leg. It is another if you want to denigrate Euro optics without facts. And don't get me wrong, I have a bunch of Leupolds.

Doug

Edited by Chris Farris II - March/29/2012 at 16:54

You can also look at all of these where every single one is people praising them. So not everything said on here is bad by any means.

I stand corrected. I was just thinking a company that has been said on to have a non-exist warranty and no one knowing where they are out of would throw up a red flag on them being able to do anything right??

Like I said... I must be missing something??

Edited by rustic - April/04/2012 at 14:32

Product = Great
Business model = Poor

They are owned by Swarovski, but don't use the same business channels.  Why?  No one is quite sure.  They, Swarovski, do service the scopes if there are issues as pointed out by others, but there have not been many issues percentage wise.    It would be nice for the consumers if they got their business model ironed out.

SD Dog wrote: Product = Great Business model = Poor They are owned by Swarovski, but don't use the same business channels.  Why?  No one is quite sure.  They, Swarovski, do service the scopes if there are issues as pointed out by others, but there have not been many issues percentage wise.    It would be nice for the consumers if they got their business model ironed out.

That is europe for ya. Why not just buy a Swarovski? and forget about those other clowns. The business model is the most important part of a business without it the is no business kinda like "green energy" all show and no go.

I have 2 Kahles scopes (KX 4-12x50 from the sample list and a CL 3-10x50) and I can assure you that the CL is every bit the optical quality of my Swarovski PH 3-12x50, 2-10x42 and 3-9x36A (all off the sample list) They are also much better than any of my Leupold V3s or Zeiss Conquests.   I have spent many late evenings comparing the optics of many of these and other scopes and I concur with the other posts on here that Kahles is right there with the worlds finest scope makers. I feel they are only slightly, and very slightly at that, behind the Swaro Z6, Zeiss Victory, and Leica ER. If they are short in any area that is of any importance to me, it would be in their rather short eye relief.  That is marginalized by the fact that none of mine not sit on any heavy kickers anyway. Do I have any fear of CS with Kahles? Nope. Will my next scope be a Kahles. Nope. Only because of the lure of the Z6 1.7-10x42's FOV, large sweet spot, and the less critical eye position.  Nit picking at its finest!

In this global economy just think of how many business franchisees, industrial leaders, technology giants, etc have merged together to share resources to compete in the market place. Do you really feel Kahles teaming with Swarovski will somehow now give the advantage to Bushnell/Bauch and Lomb?