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I looked through a Kahles CL model the other day, it was the 3x9x42 and it really took my breath away.  Curious how others feel about this scope compared to a Zeiss Conquest of equal power?  I have the Zeiss too and even though it's impressive to me the Kahles really seemed a lot better.  I'm considering the Kahles for a 300 RUM and switching the Conquest currently on the RUM to a 375 H&H.  The 375 has a Leupold VXII 2x7 on it right now just for the FOV on the low end but I'm a little concerned that the VXII will hold up as this is an ultra light 375 and really lets you know when it goes off.  I'd put the Kahles on the 375 but the Conquest has longer eye relief and the Kahles has a side AO which might be handy on the RUM sometime when I'm shooting farther than I should be!
 
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its tough to beat a kahles without spending over $1500. ive had my 4200 elite on my H&H and even with the 3.3 inches of relief i never got smacked.
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I think I'd keep the VXII on the .375, I believe is size and power range are perfect for the type of shooting most 375s are used for.  I've owned two kahles scopes and yes their optics are quite good, though I think the mid range scopes are closing the gap, you have to remember that the kahles glass hasn't been updated for some years now.
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I sort of tend to crawl the stock and this one bites my trigger finger quite often when shooting off the bench.  This one will also jump off the rest and just flat out is way too much fun!  I have a lead on a Kahles CL 3x9 for an excellent price and that's why I was considering it.  I know the Kahles line is pretty pricey but this one is about 300 off its usual price and it's NIB.  How does the Conquest compare though?  About the same optically or is the Kahles that much better to you all? 
 
I won't argue the 2x7 is a good setup for the 375 and I had a 1.75x5 Vari X III on it before but just wanted a tad more top end.  I also have been told to not worry and that the VXII will hold up just fine but for some reason I'm still a little concerned.  Maybe I'm just being anal and maybe I'm looking to upgrade and do my part to help the economy!
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ive got a 2x7 vortex viper on my .375H&H now its perfect for it. the conquest is a good scope but its not near as good as the cl is. 
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I've seen a lot of good things mentioned about the Vortex and maybe I should consider it more strongly.  On the other hand, that stupid CL is still burned in my mind and I'm trying to justify the silly thing!  Guess when I can't I need to take a deep breath and not be so hot and bothered!
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i would buy the kahles myself you cant go wrong with a kahles.
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Is Kahles a company on their own or are they part of Swarovski?  I've heard both and am not sure.  I did hear some bad things about customer service which are concerning. 
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kahles used to be tied in with swaro, that partnership has since split, the way i understand it now gamo is going to handle the import of kahles to the usa.
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For my middle aged eyes, I was unable to tell much difference between the Zeiss and the Kahles. I certainly have nothing bad to say about the Kahles, I just prefer the Zeiss because of its sexy , crisp, black as coal reticle!
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I won't argue about the reticle and my checkbook likes the Conquest because it doesn't flinch as  bad when I pull it out!   By the way, in my original post I said this 375 would jump off the front rest, the only other one I ever had do that was the one you have posted at the bottom of your response, that nasty 350 Mag!!!!  That thing wasn't any better on me than the 375! 
 
Gamo?  Now that's interesting.  Wonder how well that will work out.  Course that would sure make a premium "adult" air rifle!
 
So I'll again ask what I did a few weeks ago, any reason for concern with a VXII on the 375?  I know Leuopld's customer service is awesome but it's a long way from the mountains back home sometimes.  I know, just being my usual anal self!
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i wouldnt worry about the vxII on your H&H, leupold will repair it after it breaks. i think you will be fine with it on there.

on a side note: the vortex viper i have on my H&H is recoil tested to handle up to and including .50bmg.





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Yeah, I've seen that picture of your Vortex and if I didn't already have the 2x7 that I have I would be looking at that one.  It's a little less expensive too.  Yeah, Leupold will fix it but the problem is the other part of your statement "after it breaks"!  That is never a convenient happening!  I know Leupold tests them to some high recoil too so it really should be okay.  Now to find a different reason for that Kahles!
 
By the way, Chris LeDoux was a really good guy and I miss him too!
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I had a Leupold Vari-x-ll on my 340 Weatherby that kicked worse than any 375 H/H I ever shot and it never gave even a wimper. The only thing I had against the scope was the adjustments took forever to get set. Once you had it where you wanted, you never touched the adjustments. Sure wouldn't want turrets on one! I have not had the same problem with the newer Leupold scopes, but maybe they won't hold up like the old ones?

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Yeah, that 340 is not a light recoiling thing by any means.  This 375 weighs about 7.5 lbs loaded and with this scope on it.  It's a really fast and mean recoil but I'm sure you are right, it should hold up just fine.  As I said, I am being anal but without going to a much higher dollar one I don't know what I'd put on it anyway that gives me the FOV, eye relief and the power range that I already have.  The newer ones should be even better but you just never know.
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holy crap my gun and scope weigh 10lbs 6oz without any ammo in it.
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Originally posted by Tulie Tulie wrote:

Is Kahles a company on their own or are they part of Swarovski?  I've heard both and am not sure.  I did hear some bad things about customer service which are concerning. 
 
Kahles is still owned by the Swarovski group, but they have their own management and is operated as a separate company, competing against Swarovski.  Up until a couple years ago, Swarovski Optik North America was the importer and service center for Kahles, but the two companies have had a strained relationship, so they parted ways in the US... again, even though Swarovski still owns Kahles.  After SONA, Legacy Sports was the importer/ service center for Kahles for a very short time, but that deal got all screwed up and the supply of Kahles scopes in the US started to dry up all of last year.  Now, they just announced at this years SHOT show that Gamo USA is their new importer.
 
Their CS wasn't bad per se; it was simply nonexistant in the US.  They still took care of the product, but it had to be sent to Austria.  Now, who knows?  The ink has barely dried on their agreement with Gamo, so CS quality remains to be seen.
 
One thing is certain, though -- Kahles scopes are very, very good.  I wouldn't part with the ones I have.  You can't go wrong in selecting one... provided you don't have a problem with it. 
 
As for optical quality, I think Kahles is on par with any premium scope optically.  To my eyes, it's superior to Conquest, and Conquest is very good.  But, opinions vary, and which is "better" depends on who you ask. 
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I recently purchased a Kahles off of the sample list, and was blown away by the glass. The scope was the 3-9x42 KX. I bought the scope for my brother and after looking through it, offered to trade him my Swaro 3-9x36 for it. I do not have an overly discerning eye, but I can tell you it was fantastic.
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Yep, this one is great to carry!  A little more difficult to shoot!  Now you all know why I was worried about the recoil having an adverse effect on the scope.  Anyway, yeah, that's why I was so hot and bothered about the Kahles that I saw, it just knocked my socks off with the optical quality.  I was looking at the side of a mountain an awful long ways off and it was amazing considering it was at the max of 9X. 
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My Kahles ZF84 (6x42) out performs my Zeiss Diavari Victory at 6x in extreme low light conditions.  Shocked the heck out of me...
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In terms of optical quality, Kahles is as good as anything else out there.  Their newest scopes, K312 and K418 are quite remarkable.

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Anyone know where and when Kahles will be available?

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Havae to agree on the quality of Kahles.  I have quite a few as well and they are as good as my Swarovskis.  They are a tough scope as well.  Good bang for the buck on the ones you can find for a deal...
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My opinion is that Kahles is really good, but not as good as Swarovski and Ziess. But I never saw any Conquest because they are not sold in EU. Zeiss starts here with Classic Diavari at about 1500€-1700€ (2100$-2500$) and you normally get what you paid for. Swarovski is mostly sold only as Z3, Z5 and Z6 series and also more expensive as Kahles and better.

You can buy the cheapest Kahles for 1000€ (1400$) and is good for the price, but not is the same league as Z6 or Victory Diavari.  KX series are not sold here.

My general conclusion would be, that Kahles is good for the price but not as good as market leaders.  
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