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looking at putting a new scope on my 7mm and am new to the forum and would like a little help.  I like to sit till the last second and hunt in low light so i'm also not sure which reticle to choose thanks for any help.
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Welcome to The OT!!

 

What power ranges and objective size specifically?

 

I know The HIVE here is going to give it to the Kahles, but the 4.5-14x 50mm 

VX-L I shot under was outstanding optically.

(And I'm not what you might call a "die hard Leupold fan".....)

 

http://www.swfa.com/pc-6158-1012-leupold-45-14x50-vx-l-rifle scope.aspx

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i was thinking of the 4x12x52 cl and the same vxl you shot not sure never owned a good scope i will mostly be hunting white tail in open fields and can have a shot out to about 500 but i won't be taking that one and i am going to Canada on a white tail hunt in oct.
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For a dedicated big game scope, I'd go with a 3-9x or 3.5-10x.

No side focus "hocus pocus" on it either...

 

Have you considered a ranging reticle for the long shots?



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this may sond stupid but whats a ranging reticle

 

those power would be fine but which one should i get advantages/disadvantages

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like the burris ballistic plex and the leupold boone & crockett swaro's tds, lines that are set for different yardages based off what you shoot you get the range of your target then put which ever line gives you that yardage and then squeeze one off,
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thanks, so which scope do you recommend
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I'm going to break with cheaptrick & some of the others here and say that having side focus on a hunting scope is NOT a liability or disadvantage when the trophy of a lifetime comes across your path.  Of the scopes you mentioned, I'd go with the Kahles CL EVERY TIME.  I have heard that the KX is very good but you're going to have to spend over $1,200 on Zeiss or Schmidt & Bender-quality to do better optically over the CL.  I've owned two CL models and both functioned flawlessly and put meat in the freezer.  I'll buy another one for the upcoming deer & hog season, too.

 

With regard to the VX-L, I wasn't impressed with the resolution of the particular model I examined and I HATE that ridiculous looking crescent cut-out on the front objective.  I have also heard that this model is not selling to Leupold's expectations so who knows what kind of future this model has in store.

 

Just like many others say, buy the BEST glass your budget can afford.  In this case, the CL is the winner and having side focus is an advangage, not a liability...

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should i go with the cl that has the multi zero it's mainly used for white tail and i don't plan on taking extremely long shots is it worth it to have it there just in case.  Which Cl would you recommend. tks ceylonc
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Originally posted by ceylonc ceylonc wrote:

I'm going to break with cheaptrick & some of the others here and say that having side focus on a hunting scope is NOT a liability or disadvantage when the trophy of a lifetime comes across your path. 

 

Duly noted, C.

 

I don't think of a side focus or an AO as a liability or disadvantage as much as I feel it's not neccesary for most big game hunting deals I have been on.

 

As I have said many times, where and how I hunt, I have never had the luxury to "correct parallax" before taking a shot. Seriously.  

Maybe where you guys hunt you do, I don't know. 

 

 

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  I  also hate the look of the crescent cutout on the Leupolds, but I agree with cheaptrick that they are optically impressive, at least the 4.5-14x50 I recently used is. It had the B&C reticle,which seems to be an excellent hunting reticle, ( but only if you practice with it! ).  If you are going on a Canadian whitetail hunt you really should be able to make a clean kill on 400 yard whitetail under proper circumstances. Your 7mm. will do it with any of the above scopes if you really know your rig. Whatever you decide to get (and You have to decide ), shoot it a lot at diferent yardages and you will be very happy.

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we never did talk about how much you wanna spend, the cl is a couple 100 more than the kx, but it says kahles on the side so its a good one.
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For the record, I'm not suggesting that the VX-L will out perform the Kahles optically, but the VX-L I shot was pretty good. Better to me than the VXIII's that I've seen.

 

Duke, if you can pony up the money, get the Kahles, if not get a 3-9 Conquest with a #4 reticle, or a 4200, or a 3.5-10 VXIII and go shoot something....

 

Your going to drive yourself batty thinking about all your options....

 

 

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thanks i think i will go with the kahles now i just have to decide if multi zero is worth it.

 

i notice you guys talking about what to use for mounting equip.  what do you feel i should go with or does it matter.

 

thanks again for all your help and i will be recommending this site to my buddies.

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Originally posted by duke7581 duke7581 wrote:

thanks i think i will go with the kahles now i just have to decide if multi zero is worth it.

 

i notice you guys talking about what to use for mounting equip.  what do you feel i should go with or does it matter.

 

thanks again for all your help and i will be recommending this site to my buddies.

 

TPS, Warne or Talley rings and base's...

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Originally posted by duke7581 duke7581 wrote:

thanks i think i will go with the kahles now i just have to decide if multi zero is worth it.

 

i notice you guys talking about what to use for mounting equip.  what do you feel i should go with or does it matter.

 

thanks again for all your help and i will be recommending this site to my buddies.

 

 

 

I would recommend a Picatinny / Weaver-style base  under a set of tactical -duty rings such as Badger, TPS, etc. This type of mounting system is strong,simple and versatile. If you are trying to keep the weight down Warne or Talley would be a good choice.



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Originally posted by duke7581 duke7581 wrote:

thanks i think i will go with the kahles now i just have to decide if multi zero is worth it.

 

You will be very happy with any Kahles scope.  I wouldn't get multi-zero unless you plan to mount it on a "hunt anything in the world, anywhere" rifle where you frequently change bullet weights, or it's going on a super long range rifle.  If it's going on a super long range rig, then the side focus is beneficial so go with the CL.  Otherwise, I personally don't like having SF on a big game scope because it's something else to worry about in a quick shooting situation, it costs extra, and it's really unnecessary if upper magnification is around 10X or less.  With parallax adjustment, if you happen to leave it set on one distance extreme, either very close or very far, and a "shooter" animal steps into view at the other distance extreme, it will be out of focus and you may not have the luxury of time to focus it before the animal is gone.  If you're careful to keep it set on about 100 yd/meter focus all the time while hunting, you won't have a problem, but the knob can easily brush up against something and change your setting.  I missed a shot at a bull elk once very early in the morning in low light because of this very thing.

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http://www.samplelist.com/default.aspx?display_num=10&mf g_selection=5&prod_type=1&hide_sold=false

 

Check out The Sample List. Several great deals on Kahles on there.

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I agree with others here who recommend to pass on the "MultiZero" feature unless you plan on shooting different game while using different bullet weights.  For my hunting, this feature is not necessary and I didn't pony up the extra money to get it.  I never felt I was lacking in not having it...

 

Some great advice regarding the side parallax debate.  You really can't go wrong either way.  I just like the feature because it does allow the owner to get the most benefit out of the scope's glass capabilities.  The vast majority of hunting situations are not going to be affected with whether you do or do not have side focus.  So long as you're putting meat in the freezer, you'll be happy with the scope that sits atop your rifle.

 

Good luck & let us know what you think. 

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