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Got both in...
a few quick observations

both are in the 1.5-6x42 with a circle / dot in the center of the crosshairs reticle and illuminated

The S&B is a slightly better image to my eyes
The S&B is heavier in the hand and just has the "I could beat the crap out of this" feel to it

I think I prefer the simple  illuminated dot  reticle of the S&B as I feel the circle and dot being lit up on the Kahles can be a bit much for my eyes at in very low light and obscure the exact point of aim.

The S&B is more like a German # 4 in that the bottom vertical and horizontal lines are thick and bold with the center getting thin and the circle being bold.  What's cool is that when the illumination is off the center crosshair looks normal, i.e., thin and great for precision work.
When you activate the reticle the center just glows red like a red dot is superimposed over it.
Very clean and well executed.

The Kahles has the center dot being bigger at all times, turned off or on.
I think that perhaps the Kahles may be a tad quicker at close range but the S&B would be better for precision shots in extremely low light.

Both can be turned up daytime bright (have not had them in direct Arizona desert sun conditions)
Both can be turned down to be almost invisible
They both have the illumination levels done right

The Kahles has a cool feature wherein the reticle will turn itself off in certain positions, i.e., pointing straight up or straight down or laying on it's side, move the gun a tad and it comes back on instantly.  Pretty cool on a hunting rifle to conserve the battery, wouldn't want for a combat optic of course.

These observations are just made using outside and around my house, not mounted on a gun yet and taken out in the field.  I am pretty good at doing the optics testing in low light and feel my observations won't change once I take them out hunting in a few weeks.

In all honesty, if someone told me "Merry Christmas, which one do you want?" right now, I would probably have to say the S&B, and I am a Khales fan, and love my CL 3-10x50

In fact, I want to do a low light test against it and some range time and hunting use.

That's all for now.


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Looking foward to a more indepth review.
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I checked again this morning right at daybreak
There's a field behind our house and still the same impression
The S&B just has a "bigger" image


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  Those who use the S&B's swear they are the best.
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I have the S&B 1.5-6X42 Zenith w/ #9 Flashdot reticle as well, and I totally echo your observations.  The scope is awesome optically and mechanically.  I love the Flashdot illumination for the exact reasons you stated.  The center dot is projected onto the center of the reticle rather than being a permanent part of the reticle, so the fine center crosshairs are preserved when illumination is turned off, and it has a broad intensity range so it doesn't over-illuminate the sight picture when turned on.  I don't know if it's "the best" or not, but I would certainly say it's a contender for the title among similar scopes in its class!  Its weight and relatively narrow adjustment range are the only negatives I can think of for this scope... besides its price tag, of course.

Aesthetically, I think it's a good-looking scope too.  It just looks like a quality piece of equipment.
 
I have a few Kahles scopes, and have been a big fan ever since I bought the first one.  I haven't used the 1.5-6 model CSX before, but I'm sure it's fantastic too.  But, based on what I know about both scope series and eliminating price as a consideration, I would probably give the edge to the S&B as well.


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Some more observations:

I tested my 3-9 Accupoint with the green mildot reticle and when looking at night at trees at 75-100 yards away, and all 3 set at 6X, all 3 could have placed a bullet where it needed to go. 

This was looking into trees with no light and barely able to see the trees with my naked eye and I was trying to put the dot on a given small branch.

In short, the S&B and Khales are better glass and more "wow" factor (nod to the S&B) but the Trijicon absolutely held it's own.
Yes, the others are better optically, but they aren't 3X better frankly

Definitely getting into the law of diminishing returns wherein you pay a LOT more for a little improvement.

We are talking about pure optical performance, being able to see in very low light and being able to place the crosshairs where they need to for hunting purposes.  Yes, there are differences in the over all specs, magnification, reticle, etc..

I still stand by my statement that the Accupoint 3-9x40 green dot is the "best" overall hunting scope when you factor in price vs performance, it flat out works, no batteries, is cheaper, always on, and much lighter to boot.

Long term reliability?
Only time will tell that of course..

Need to run a box test on all 3 for turret repeatability

More later




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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

I still stand by my statement that the Accupoint 3-9x40 green dot is the "best" overall hunting scope when you factor in price vs performance, it flat out works, no batteries, is cheaper, always on, and much lighter to boot.
 
I have that scope as well (albeit with amber triangle rather than green dot reticle), and I have to agree that it ranks near the top for me when price vs. performance is factored in.  I put it in my top 5 list of favorite scopes regardless of price, and I think its hard to beat when you consider everything it offers for the price.
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I am going to mount, sight in and use the S&B for hunting for a while on the 6.8 :)



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I also own have a S&B.  1.5-6x42 Zenith FlashDot #7 on my LMT.
I just love this scope to death. It's the only S&B I currently own.
I do have my fair share of 1'' tube Kahles, and they are also very soild, but the 1'' line doesn't have any illuminated recitals.


 

 


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