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 What is the difference in the AH and the KX  series?  If I'm correct the KX replaced the AH series. Is there any difference in the quality of the glass? Are there any other differences in the two? How is the eye relief on these models for larger caliber rifles?I do most of my shooting in lowlight conditions fo hunting. Will this be an improvement over my 4.5x14x50 VXIII Leupold in lowlight conditions. I have decided to purchase one and I am try to make the final decision between the two.  Thanks
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the kx series has the same glass/coatings as the C series (amazing) - IMO, a much better scope.

 

i would recommend at least 3.5-4.0 inches for a hard kicker - not sure of the top of my head abou tthe KX.

 

it's a hell of a scope for the money. and yes, better IMO than a VXIII.

 

try one out, and you'll agree.

 

good luck!!!

 

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 Does the AH and the KX have the same glass and coatings as the C series have? I know that they replaced the AH with the KX. Did they upgrade the glass and coatings when they replaced the AH with the KX? What I am trying to ask is the AH as good as the KX? I have decided to buy one of these but I have to decide which one. All help is appreciated because the info from this forum helped to make my choice of the Kahles. Now I need to know a little more info to make a final choice before purchase. Thanks  
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http://www.kahlesoptik.com/index.php5?pf=&menu=54&sp rache=0 

 

the KX is better than the AH, IMO -

 

it's got the same coatings AMV as the CS and C class scopes.  It's hard to beat for the price.

 

i hope this helps. thanks.

 

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I called and asked Kahles about this same thing today, because I've been considering a KX, but the prices on the AH scopes on the Sample List are very enticing.  The guy I talked to in Kahles CS in Rhode Island told me there are no optical differences whatsoever between the KX and the AH!  According to him, the AH was discontinued with the arrival of the CL, which offered a little better resolution, side focus, and the Multi-Zero feature as an option.  Then, realizing they no longer had a competitively priced 1" scope anymore, they decided to introduce the KX line, which is nothing more than the AH scopes with slightly different look to them and slightly more eye relief.  If you look at the specs for the AH and KX, the 3.5-10X50 versions of both scopes have the exact same FOV, and the 3-9X40 KX actually has a couple ft LESS FOV than the 3-9X40 AH did.  The length and weight between the two are pretty much the same as well.  The only other difference is the KX includes a 4-12X50 model, the AH had a rimfire model that isn't included with the KX, and the KX isn't offered with the TDS reticle like the AH was.  Here's a scan from last year's Kahles catalog showing the AH has the same AMV coatings as the KX, and essentially the same dimensions, which supports what Kahles USA CS told me:

Given this, if it were me, I'd buy an AH off the Sample List and save $200 - $300.



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Here is the email response I recieved from Austria on this issue.  This confirms the KX is the same as the discontinued AH, the CL provides slightly better optical performance than the AH/KX, and the CL essentially provides the same optical performance as the C series, the only difference being tube diameter.  From this, my take is unless you're interested in the 4-12X50 KX model or you just like one of the reticle choices in the KX, I see no reason to buy a KX as long as the AH scopes are available at a significant $ savings on the SampleList.  I also took from this that the CL scopes are really a bargain, since they provide essentially the same optical performance as the much higher priced C series scopes.

 

"We are happy to hear that you are the owner of a Kahles scope.

 

Regarding your questions:

1)       You are right. There is only the difference in appearance. KX is the following model of the AH.

2)       The lenses are the same in KX and AH

3)       CL scopes have parallax adjustment and so the lenses are not the same as the KX lenses. The optical performance is better.

4)       You are right the difference is the tube diameter and C scopes to not have parallax adjustment.

 

I hope I could answer your questions adequately.

If you have further ones do not hesitate to ask.

 

Have a nice day.

 

With best regards from Vienna,"

 

B. Gruber

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thanks rifledude .i was going to buy a kx but this changes my mind i believe.you know all i have heard is the kx is better than the ah and the same scope as the cl without the parralex feature.some people just dont know their facts.really i might be leaning toward the CL line now.
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I believe everyones' intentions were good and nobody was trying to mislead you; there's been a lot of confusion about the Kahles 1" scopes, as there seems to be quite a bit of feature overlap and redundancy between these 3 series.  Plus, when a company discontinues something, then introduces something with essentially the same specs and market niche, the natural inclination is to believe that the new product must be better.  In this case, the introduction of the KX series was Kahles' way of saying they made a mistake by dropping the AHs once the CLs were introduced.  Regardless of whether you get AH, KX, or CL, you'll be getting an outstanding scope you'd be very happy with.  I was just trying to save you some $ if you were leaning toward KX.  The CL is supposed to be a slight step up optically from the AH/KX, plus it offers side focus (except for the 2-7X36 model), if that's a feature you value. 

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Is the Kahles AH better or of equal optical and mechanical quality than a Zeiss Conquest? If it is better than Conquest, is the difference enough to warrant the higher price?
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I don't know about mechanical, but optically, I personally think the Kahles AH is a little better than the Conquest, but opinions probably vary on that.  Judging solely by the AHs I own and the Conquests friends of mine own, I personally think the AH has better resolution.  At minimum, I think it is at least equal to the Conquest.  Actually, the AHs on the SampleList are LESS expensive than an equivalent new Conquest.
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This is very strange information from Kahles and so is thier newly revised product descriptions, in the pre launch the descriptions that I saw for both scopes were advertised as simply AMV coated in a similar way. Great info from thier

rep Rifledude.

 

Here is thier current descriptions:

 

CL Lenses:

AMV Coating
KAHLES proprietary AMV coating - optimized for maximum transmission between 500 and 540 nanometers for the ultimate lowest light performance.

 

KX Lenses:

 

AMV Coating
Optimized KAHLES AMV multi-layer lens coatingprovides close to 100% light transmission.

 

 

 

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According to Kahles, all of their scopes and binos have the same AMV coating and the difference in the CL that supposedly makes it slightly superior optically vs. AH/KX is not the coating but the glass and overall optical design.

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Originally posted by DAVE44 DAVE44 wrote:

Is the Kahles AH better or of equal optical and mechanical quality than a Zeiss Conquest? If it is better than Conquest, is the difference enough to warrant the higher price?

 

Hello Dave, I have all 3. Zeiss Conquest 3-10x50, Kahles AH 3-10x50 and Kahles CL 3-10x50. The Kahles AH is clearer than the conquest but the CL is the best of all.

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Are the plex reticles in the CONQUEST (#20 z-plex) and KAHLES about the same size and thickness?
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    DAVE they are not the Z-plex is thicker thean the Kahles plex.  And yes it does make a difference looking at deer in late evening.
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for late evening / early morning - a #4 reticle is hard to beat.

 

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