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I've decided to take the plunge and purchase a set of premium binoculars, however, before I do there is one more set of mid-priced bins I would like to consider. The Kahles in 8x or 10x.(42mm)


The reason for considering the mid-priced bins is that I'm a firm believer in "fewer toys & more hunting trips" and I believe that you eventually reach a point of diminished returns when buying premium gear (knowing when you've reached this point is a different story), i.e. paying $200-$300 more dollars just to say your bins are 3 ounces lighter than last years model. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a guy who owns or believes in cheap or inferior gear, I feel you should purchase the best you can afford.I just don't believe in spending money for nothing.


The only real world hunting experience I have is with a set of Leupold Wind River Pinnacles in a 10x42mm. I was satisfied with their performance, but sold them to step-up to something better.


Is the Kahles binoculars worth the extra $300 I'd pay for them over the Pinnacles? The only reason I'm considering Kahles is from what I've read on this site. They supposedly have great low-light performance and are extremely rugged, which is what I'm looking for.


Also, would the Leica BN's be worth the extra money I'd pay for them over the Kahles? I had my heart set on a pair of Leica's, but if the Kahles are as good as what I've read, I may be money ahead purchasing them. (You "experts" need to advise me on this one.)


As always, thanks in advance. I really appreciate all the great advice I've gotten from this site.









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Stud Duck, you seem like the kind of guy that wants to know that the extra money spent is going toward actual performance rather than the name or just hype.  I agree with you.  Let me say that unfortunately I don't have any experience with Kahles other than looking through them a few times in hunting stores.  But I can tell you that I feel the same way you do.  I am willing to spend the extra money, but only if there is a noticable difference in performance.  I have owned several pair of mid priced binos including Pentax and Minox and also owned or used several pair of Leica and Swarovski.  Same thing with rifle scopes,  I own several mid-priced scopes from Leupold to Zeiss Conquest, and also high end Zeiss VM/V and Schmidt & Bender.


I would say that the high end riflescopes that I own are nice and do offer some advantages, but honestly I could get by just fine 90% of the time with my Conquest or Leupold.  However I feel completely different about my binos.  After using Leica for several years there is no way I could go back to average binos.  I bought a pair of Minox and Pentax WP (which were both considered excellent by most reviews) and never was satisfied with them after using Leica.  In my opinion, if you can afford a pair of Leica Trinovids then go for it.  Top quality riflescopes are a luxury, top quality binos are a necessity.  Let me know if I can help.

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I own the Kahles 10x42s and I would say that they are worth the extra money over the Pinnacles.  Especially when you consider the hit or miss quality of the Pinnacles.  Apparently early models were made to fairly good standards in Japanese factories and the newer ones are of lower quality made in china.  I think tha Kahles are as good as it gets until you step up to the better Leicas.  I bought my Kahles for around $500 and it was a significant jump up to the Leicas.  If I was having to pay today's full price for the Kahles and I could get the Leica's for a few hundred more, I would get the Leica.  I do not mean to insinuate that I am unhappy with my Kahles, they are great binos.  But, the Leicas are worth the extra money.



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I agree with Ranburr based upon real life hunting and birding experience--the Kahles for $5-600 are tough to beat.


I use the 8x42's because they offer wider field of view and are easier to hold steady.  I always figure my scope goes to 12 power once my binocs let me identify the target.


The wider field of view affords me the opportunity to pick up motion across a larger focal plane and just feels better to me. 


I'd like a pair of Leica Ultravids.  But the quality of the Kahles and their incredible durability allows me to keep putting that plunge off a little longer.

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