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How does Kahles stack up against Zeiss, Swarovski and other premium  brands for quality, utility, etc? I am considering buying a pair in 8x42.  Are they as good as their rifle scopes?
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Image quality will be good.  FoV will be narrower. 
 
Many people love the Kahles product.  You'll just have to try one out yourself to see if you're one of them.
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I own a Kahles 10X42.  It is a good binocular, but not in the same class as the top of the line Zeiss, Swaro, Leica.  I like their riflescopes much better than their binos.  I don't have much time behind their 8X42 since I don't own the 8X.  Personally, for a roof prism in this price bracket, I would select either the Meopta Meostar/Cabelas Euro, Vortex Razor, or Minox HG, which I think are all better optically than the Kahles, at approx. the same price, the Razor about $100 less than the others.  I also have the Vortex Razor 8X42.  The Kahles has noticeable CA and inferior resolution to the Razor, which has very little CA due to the ED glass.  Basically, the Razor blows the Kahles away in every respect except size and weight.  Again, it's a good binocular, but I think you can do much better for the same or less money.
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A friend just picked up the Razors and they are very nice, indeed. I was very surprised at the contrast and resolution. I'm still waiting to do a side by side with my Zeiss. I think I'll still remain very impressed whatever the outcome. They are a great choice for the money.



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Ted what does CA and ED glass mean?
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CA = chromatic abberation.  It is basically the inability of an optical instrument to bring all the colors of light back into the same focus point after having refracted the light by the various prisms in their design.  It is seen as a thin, colored band highlighting the edges of high-contrast objects.

ED glass = Extra low Dispersion glass, sometimes referred to as HD (high density) or FL (flourite) glass as well.  It is the creme-de-la-creme of optical glass. It is very expensive and has the benefit of being able to all but eliminate many optical abberations, including the aforementioned CA. 
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Thanks for the help! I have learned a lot from folks on this site.
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...what lucznik said. Big%20Smile
 
Keep us posted on which binocular you end up buying.
 


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SamC, I had a pair of Kahles 8x42 binoculars and up until that point they were the best binoculars out of the four that I owned up until that til.  I let a friend of mine talk me into buying them from me after hunting season.  Big mistake.  I got a pretty good deal on them when I purchased them and I knew they had pretty good customer service since they at the time were a sister company to Swarovski and I'm pretty sure that their US customer service center is near each other in Rhode Island.  Since then I bought a used pair of Swarovski SLC in 7x42 and I could see a big difference in clarity and field of view.  It was especially noticable at dark and dusk.  Not to mention that Swarovski has the best customer service bar none.  This past christmas I decided to treat myself and purchase a new pair of Swarovski SLCs since I've heard from several people and I called the Swarovski Service center to confirm that the SLCs do have the same glass and coatings as the ELs for alot less money.  You just have more weight in the SLCs.  I couldn't be happier.  I will probably never have to buy another pair of binoculars since I now have one of the best available.  I wished year ago I would of just went ahead and took the plunge and bought a pair of Swarovski's and saved myself aot of looking, buying and selling.  If you get the Kahle's I think you will be happy with them.  I really enjoyed mine and they were definately worth what I paid for them.  Good luck.  bird_hunter66

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I have been thinking about buying a pair of Swaro's. My buddy  says that if possible you should use the same brand binoculars as your scope so the glass is some what similar. Since I have a Swaro PH maybe I should just bite the bullet and get a pair of SLC's.
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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

My buddy  says that if possible you should use the same brand binoculars as your scope so the glass is some what similar. 
 
That's some kind of strange logic your buddy is using.  Loco
 
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Does your buddy work for Swaro?Wink
 
I've often heard on a multiple speaker audio system that it's a good idea to get speakers of the same general design or series so they will be timbre matched sound-wise, but I've never heard anyone say it would be better to get the same brand of binos as your scope.  I've never adhered to that logic and I've never felt like I was handicapped in any way.
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No, he doesn't work for Swarovski, he is a PH and likes Leupold scopes. His logic is, if you are using the same glass, you are getting a similar sight picture. Have you ever looked through your binoculars and the sight picture looked quite different when looking through your rifle scope of a different manufacture? It is something to think about!
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Even if you do use the same brand of bino as your scope, you will never have the same sight picture.  You cannot duplicate the kind of stereoscopic vision you get through binoculars, where you have both eyes looking through the optic at the same time, through a riflescope where you are using only one eye.  Even if both were to somehow provide the same "sight picture," by which I take it you mean the same color bias due to similar lens coatings, what would be the real advantage?  Even if the scope and binocular are from the same brand, the scope will never have the same field of view, depth of field, and the exact same optical characteristics as a binocular because the scope not only doesn't involve both eyes, but it doesn't have a prism system like the binocular and isn't capable of fine focus at all viewing distances.  Regardless of brand, the view through a binocular doesn't look like the view through a scope, and it never will. 
 
This is not to say that you shouldn't go with the same brand for both, because some of the same manufacturers of good riflescopes also make good binos and vice versa.  But, as long as you get a decent example of both, you will not be at any disadvantage by them being of different brands.  Not only that, but in many cases, a particular brands' riflescope may very well not be made with the same glass and coatings as their binoculars.  Then, what do you do if you're using, say a Trijicon or S&B scope, brands that don't make binoculars, or a Leica binocular, who doesn't make scopes?  I have many different brands of riflescopes and 3 different brands of quality binoculars, and regardless of which combination I decide to use at any given time, I've never been disadvantaged because my scope and binocular didn't have the same logo.


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Originally posted by SamC SamC wrote:

...His logic is, if you are using the same glass, you are getting a similar sight picture. Have you ever looked through your binoculars and the sight picture looked quite different when looking through your rifle scope of a different manufacture? It is something to think about!


That is one of the largest (and strangest) leaps of "logic" I've ever heard.  Loco

I've heard some pretty funny stuff as people try to justify their brand loyalties but, this one takes the cake.

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Ted you make some very good points, I think he may have meant "color bias"  not sight picture. He is a very good PH but I suspect you know a bit more about optics than he doesCheers _popupControl();
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