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I recently had a chance to play with one, and - wow!  I love the parallax adjustment under the elevation knob, the glass was quite good, the turrets felt quite nice.

Will SWFA be selling these scopes?

I would like to put one side-by-side with Zeiss FL 6-24 and Hensoldt, and maybe a 5-20SS for good measure.

It is impressive.
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How about adding Premier,S&B  finally have Ilya do a comparrison?
 
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

How about adding Premier,S&B  finally have Ilya do a comparrison?
 

I am working on it.

Steiner and S&B 5-25x56 are already here.  I should have the Kahles, March and Premier as well for this.

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I anxiously await your review.
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Keep up the great work Ilya Excellent How's the baby doing?
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HEH, HEH, HEH  Poor Ilya hasn't had hardly ANY time for her lately.... travel, new house renov, Grandma.... Whew I need a nap just thinking about it all!
 
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Scope is inbound, going on a 300WM, report to follow shortly.
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Scope is in hand, not yet mounted (waiting on the mount to arrive.)

First impressions:

1.  I like the reticle - at 10X and greater

Over the past few years, I've grown to really like the Christmas-tree reticles.  That really crystalized in Africa where shots ranged from inside 100 yards to well past 300 yards.  And since you have all of 5 seconds to acquire the target and take the shot, not a turret was spun.
My new Kahles has the Horus 59 and I like it.  The point of aim is very well defined, and the reticle allows for quick alternate aiming points, with precise windage and elevation adjustments to most reasonable shots.
That said, at 6X, the central aiming point is "OK" but all else is too small for real-world use.  As that is my greatest complaint, I see few instances where I need the FOV of 6X and the drop of a 600 yard as existing in the same circumstance.  The only place the 6X and drop would be nice is with the 300BLK, I'm still working on that one.

2.  Very forgiving of head position behind the scope (or "eye box.")

I am no huge fan of >20X optics, this is well established.  I've tried.  Thus far, anything other than a dedicated 1000+ yard rifle seems over-scoped for anything I do.  Add to that the much-tested premise that I simply shoot better that 15X than at 20X, all other things being equal.

The Kahles doesn't completely reverse this, but takes a pretty significant step towards me changing my mind, at least in part.

Comparing the Kahles to a Zeiss FL 6-24 (almost exactly same scope as the Hensoldt 6-24), I can say that the eye box is "almost" as forgiving and the view is equally impressive. The Kahles image doesn't seem to go beyond the edges of the tube the way the Henny and Zeiss do, but there is very little scope tube to see.  And no tunneling at any power.  I hate tunneling.   Both scopes have pristine images edge-to-edge, and both have an ever-so-slight CA on very high-contrast targets, both have outstanding resolution, with the Kahles having a bit better resolution and the Zeiss FL having better color.  I'd call the depth of field about even.

3.  I love the parallax adjustment location!

Why didn't I think of this?  Why didn't someone else do this sooner?

For lefty's especially, parallax is often an issue due to reaching over the scope to adjust with the right hand. Or, remove the primary hand - which is often less than ideal.

Parallax has "stops" or detents at 50 yards and up, which is OK but seems to me somewhat unnecessary (since the numbers seldom exactly match with the true yardage.)

Function of the parallax turret is firm but doesn't require too much force.

4.  Turrets are good, but still not my favorite.


It is oft said in the South, "You gotta dance with who brung ya'."  My gold standard in elevation turrets is the USO EREK, I love the spacing, I love the feel, it requires just the right amount of force, and though I ain't the biggest fan of the zeroing process (elevation drum, not point of impact), it is workable.  In all, it is still my favorite.

I own or have shot everything else (except Vortex Razor HD) and still hold to the EREK as my favorite.  The Premier turrets are quite good, Hennys are pretty good, and S&B is also pretty good, but none are the EREK's equal.

The Kahles falls somewhere just south of the EREK but definitely belongs among the best with Premier's double-turn.  (For the record, I like the LT turret more than the original Heritage 3-15.)  I do liker Kahles pop-up second rev indicator, much more than the Premier LT window - though I like the window more than Henny's color-line indicator.
Turret markings are clear and easy to see, adjustments are tactile and audible.  Setting the zero stop is relatively simply.  Spacing between clicks makes missing a click tough and accidental dope changes very tough.

5.  Illumination is not bad.

There is some bleed at the highest settings, but is quite usable at the lowest setting - which matters far more to me.  Control is easy, there are no "stops" between settings, and there doesn't appear to be any "auto-off" feature, which is OK by me.

The scope will soon be mounted and shot side-by-side with the Zeiss FL and a Henny and Premier (though the Henny and Premier aren't 20X versions, so the Kahles will do this at 12X.)

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Good review RC.Hopefully Kahles has finaly got their act together,sounds like my next scope for my next build.I will however get the K 3-12x50 maybe a Santa gift Wink
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Interesting. Thanks for the review and I look forward to your comparison with the other scopes.
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I love my Kahles ZF84... fully agree on the EREK.   Hensoldt is very good, but would be better with EREK.  I see more difference in the Hensoldt and the Zeiss than you. 
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There are a few versions of the 6-24, yes?  I was refering to the 30mm 6-24 version, though you know the Henny better than me in that range.
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One day I'm going to buy one of those, hmm $20 a week that will take........
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My love for great optics began in the Marine Corpse, tax payers can afford really good stuff!

I fully appreciate that everyone cannot afford these, and accept that in very few instances are they really needed. There are great $400 scopes that are very reliable and very precise.

This one isn't in the $400 bucket.
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Yeah, I have a friend that teased me for using ziess conquest scopes. I thought I was getting good scopes, kahles are nice scopes.
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The Zeiss Conquest is a good scope!
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Well, I really am going to have one of those alpha scopes one day. Just have to get some projects finished first.
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I agree on the EREK knob, I love it on my 3.2-17
Also agree that above 15 really isn't needed, I have busted clay pidgeons at 1K at 15X with the USO

I am going to get in the 3-12x50 FFP Tactical and 3-12x56 FFP Helia C in next week
Anxious to check them out

My brother runs a Premier LT 3-15 and will be comparing it..


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I really like the turrets on my Premier LT. The window isn't the best way to identify second rev, but it works - so long as there is light enough to see the window.

To the range shortly.
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