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This scope will be used for low light hunting with very dark backgrounds.On the samplelist you can get a lighted reticle for $100 more than the non-illum. Just trying to decide if I should go ahead and get a 4nk reticle or is the non-illum. scope all need. Just trying to make sure that I get what I need instead of wishing I would have down the road. Thanks for any help with this subject. What is the plex N illum. reticle?? Thanks and what a great forum full of great info!!!
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If you REALLY think a lit reticle will help you, Kahles will be good to go, based on what I've read. Never seen their version, but I assume it would be fairly close to Swaro's, which I know is good.
 
If the answer to the above question is "no" or "not sure", I'd get the #4 reticle and be done with it. If you don't need it, the lit reticle becomes another thing to go wrong, plus a slight weight addition, and a trifle bit more cumbersome.  
 
That said, if I were to get another lit reticle, I'd look at a Euro too. They do illuminated reticles right, IMHO. 
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I think a # 4 will suffice, anyway for me. I have a Euro scope with ill ret that really doesn't impress me. It's just an expensive gadget. A non ill #4 ret will get you through almost any situation in the dark, and, you don't have to worry about batteries corroding in the off season.
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#4 for sure
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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

I have a Euro scope with ill ret that really doesn't impress me.
 
What scope would that be, Sir?
My S&B L7 was superb, for a lit reticle that is....Wink
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Thanks for the help. Does anyone think it would be a bad idea if have the extra money to just get the illum. 4nk reticle. Have friends that swear by the ones they have in their nightforces and meoptas.I would think from all I have read that the Kahles is brighter than both of the brands friends have?Does anyone know which battery this scope uses. Thanks BMS
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What scope would that be, Sir?
My S&B L7 was superb, for a lit reticle that is....Wink
 
That would be one of my Seeadler-Optik 4-12x56's . The glass is excellent, the ill feature doesn't impress to me personally because although it has red and green ill, to me it is just a gadget that is not needed because it is extra cost , and an unlit # 4 is just my personal preference.
I got the ill ret # 4 because as the importer of these optics, I try to have at least one of each model they make for examples to potential customers. And I like the diversity of the line up. Big%20Smile
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The 7A is also a good reticle. It is similar to the 4A in thickness but has a top post. This is not as fast as the 4A but when shooting longer shots in low light is handy for referencing an animal from the top and bottom of the chest.
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The 4a is excellent, I have it in my Kahles C 3-12X56 and love it.  If you think you might like the illuminated reticle, then go for it.  I hear (have not seen) that Kahles does an excellent job with illumination, which would not be surprising at all.  
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well, a very very dim illumination in a #4 reticle is perfect for lowlight sometimes.
 
kahles is a gold standard for illumination.  i think you will find it to be an asset.
 
you can always have it turned off. it's worth the extra 100 bucks - just for daylight fast
aquisition as well.
 
my 2 cents.
 
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Thanks for all the great help and info, Ordered the scope with the illumination which is the 4nk. The SWFA was great to deal with and answered all 100 questions I had. Thanks again and will report when it gets here.
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Great, looking forward to it. My only pleasure with Kahles has come from 4A and 7A.
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I agree with JB on this one.  If you get the # 4NK reticle, you have both the #4 reticle with its bold outer posts at 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00 AND the lit center as a bonus.  I have this very reticle on a Kahles CB 2.5-10X50 and it is a superb reticle, both lit and unlit.  The ill knob isn't very obtrusive, and it can be set very dim so it doesn't over-illuminate the sight picture in low light (one of the problems with too many ill systems).  If the batteries die while on a hunt, so what?  Without the illumination, you still have all the advantages of a standard 4A reticle, and are no worse off than if you had an unlit 4A anyway.
 
If you get a Kahles, S&B, Zeiss, or Swaro, they all have excellent lit reticle systems, provided you choose a standard hunting reticle.   All provide a broad intensity adjustment range and all have lit reticle options that illuminate only a very small portion of the center of the reticle.  I've found I prefer the lit reticles that provide only a tiny ill dot or "+" in the center of the reticle, as they don't overpower the target with excess light when you're trying to make a shot in the dark.  Besides the Kahles CB, I also own a lit S&B 1.5-6X42 Zenith and Zeiss 2.5-10X50 VM/V.  All 3 are outstanding low light scopes, and I consider the lit reticles in all 3 to be a tremendous asset in low light.  I killed 2 wild hogs this year in almost complete darkness and I wouldn't have been able to make either shot at all without BOTH excellent glass and the lit reticle!  The only disadvantages I see to the lit model Euro scopes is the greater cost and slight added bulk of the extra adjustment knob.
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Got the scope yesterday and hunted twice already and all I can say is wow!!!! Thanks for all the great suggetions. Very pleased with the price and performance.Thanks again and hope everyone has a safe and happy holidays. BMS
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how is the kahles 3x12x56 im looking that way or either the zeiss diavari can't make up mind
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how is the new scope im leaning towards that one myself or the zeiss diavari
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it's awesome, as good as it gets
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glad you like the kahles - keep us posted on it's performance is something new comes up.
 
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