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I'm just curious asking this question:
 
In your opinion, what is the best model of scope that money can buy in the categories of brightness and clarity?
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This sounds like a family feud question. "We surveyed 100 people......" This is very subjective, and everyones eyes are different. For me, I would say Zeiss Victory. A top level Zeiss, Swarovski, or Kahles will all be very good, you just have to look through as many as you can, and see what looks best to you. If money was no object I would buy a Zeiss victory and Swarovski Z6 and test them thouroghly.
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 You'll probably get quite a few answers , but the top-of the-line models from Schmidt und Bender and Zeiss will take the most votes, with Swarovski a strong contender.
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I personally don't think there's a dime's worth of difference optically between Zeiss Victory VM/V, S&B, Kahles C, Swaro PH/PV/Z6.  I own all of the above except Swaro Z6.  To my eye, I think the optics of the Zeiss and S&B are the best, by a razor-thin margin, but the differences are very subtle.  I've not used a Z6 in the field, but various Swaro reps have told me that other than increased FOV, they are optically the same as the PH/PV, using the same glass and coatings.  One thing's for sure; you won't be sacrificing anything optically with any of the above, but your wallet will get much lighter!
 
As always, your mileage may vary...
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I personally don't think there's a dime's worth of difference optically between Zeiss Victory VM/V, S&B, Kahles C, Swaro PH/PV/Z6.  I own all of the above except Swaro Z6.  To my eye, I think the optics of the Zeiss and S&B are the best, by a razor-thin margin, but the differences are very subtle.  I've not used a Z6 in the field, but various Swaro reps have told me that other than increased FOV, they are optically the same as the PH/PV, using the same glass and coatings.  One thing's for sure; you won't be sacrificing anything optically with any of the above, but your wallet will get much lighter!
 
As always, your mileage may vary...
 
 
 
I'm glad he asked this question. Put the US Optics in there and where does it place? For those of you who have one, or have in the past.
Did you mean to leave IOR out? Or is it because you haven't had one? 
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http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9913
this table may help you a little
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 It must be nice to have " money is no object " funds .... $4,000.00 for a scope is not in my frame of mind .... Juggle
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9913
this table may help you a little
 
I've read that table many times, but that takes into consideration more than just the categories listed.
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well it gives you a good idea though, and yes i do have some disagreements with the list, but i still think its a good place to start

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Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 It must be nice to have " money is no object " funds .... $4,000.00 for a scope is not in my frame of mind .... Juggle
 
It is nice to have this frame of mind, I love having this freedom.....until it is time to leave the store, and I have to give them back to the stingy salesman. It's still nice to look and dream.
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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I personally don't think there's a dime's worth of difference optically between Zeiss Victory VM/V, S&B, Kahles C, Swaro PH/PV/Z6.  I own all of the above except Swaro Z6.  To my eye, I think the optics of the Zeiss and S&B are the best, by a razor-thin margin, but the differences are very subtle.  I've not used a Z6 in the field, but various Swaro reps have told me that other than increased FOV, they are optically the same as the PH/PV, using the same glass and coatings.  One thing's for sure; you won't be sacrificing anything optically with any of the above, but your wallet will get much lighter!
 
As always, your mileage may vary...
 
 
 
I'm glad he asked this question. Put the US Optics in there and where does it place? For those of you who have one, or have in the past.
Did you mean to leave IOR out? Or is it because you haven't had one? 
I left out US Optics because even though they are made to order, their scopes are really intended for tactical applications, and I had the impression the OP was asking about hunting scopes since no tactical-related questions were asked and this thread wasn't in the Tactical section.  I'm sure a USO would work fine as a hunting scope, but why special order a plain jane hunting scope from a tactical scope company when there are very fine hunting scopes available already that are as good or better optically, lighter, and probably less expensive?  I haven't owned a USO, but from all I've heard, they supposedly rank up there with Zeiss, Swaro, Kahles, and S&B optically.  The fact that you can order one in whatever configuration you want certainly supports the idea that they are a premium scope manufacturer.
 
I do own an IOR scope (4-14X50), and it is quite nice!  Although they are very good, I left them out intentionally because I don't believe they are as good as the other premium brands mentioned.
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Zeiss, and Swaro, then Kahles. Bang for the buck Kahles.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

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I left out US Optics because even though they are made to order, their scopes are really intended for tactical applications, and I had the impression the OP was asking about hunting scopes since no tactical-related questions were asked and this thread wasn't in the Tactical section.  I'm sure a USO would work fine as a hunting scope, but why special order a plain jane hunting scope from a tactical scope company when there are very fine hunting scopes available already that are as good or better optically, lighter, and probably less expensive?  I haven't owned a USO, but from all I've heard, they supposedly rank up there with Zeiss, Swaro, Kahles, and S&B optically.  The fact that you can order one in whatever configuration you want certainly supports the idea that they are a premium scope manufacturer.
 
I do own an IOR scope (4-14X50), and it is quite nice!  Although they are very good, I left them out intentionally because I don't believe they are as good as the other premium brands mentioned.
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Thanks Rifledude,
 
Tactical scope aside, that was why I asked. I wouldn't begin to know where to look around here for the oppertunity to compare a S&B, Swaro, Kahles or a US Optics to make my own judgement. If anyones budget allows for a S&B then it puts everyting else in play. Especially when distance shooting is a goal because turret adjustment is a must. I would certainly hope that for the money US Optics whould have glass equal to a S&B. But until someone who has had both can share their experience you are left to speculation. Unless it is known that they use the exact same glass (configuration) or not. If you know anyone who has a US Optics there may be a good chance they have had a S&B and could share their experience.
This may push the intent of the origional question but when budget allows everything should be considered.
 
 
but why special order a plain jane hunting scope from a tactical scope company
 
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Just my eyes, but I like Swao Z6 and the Ziess Diavari's. I have never looked through S&B's. I have a some Kahles and they are good but not the same as the Z6's
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Bang for the buck, Kahles will give you the most optical quality for the money among the hunting scopes and IOR among the tactical scopes.

US Optics is very good, but their glass quality is a little inconsistent.  Some scopes are excellent and some are merely good.  On average, they are not as good as Zeiss Victory, S&B, etc.  They are, however, tough and very well made scopes.

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Originally posted by tmb127 tmb127 wrote:

I'm just curious asking this question:
 
In your opinion, what is the best model of scope that money can buy in the categories of brightness and clarity?
  MY question to you is ...What is your budget, how much are you willing to lay out for a scope?
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by mercenary1947 mercenary1947 wrote:

 It must be nice to have " money is no object " funds .... $4,000.00 for a scope is not in my frame of mind .... Juggle
 
It is nice to have this frame of mind, I love having this freedom.....until it is time to leave the store, and I have to give them back to the stingy salesman. It's still nice to look and dream.
 
 I won't even handle one ... would probably get a dizzy spell from the sticker price and drop it .... then they'd uncover a sign " you broke it ... you bought it " could'nt afford the lawyer fees for my divorce when my wife found out .
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