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I have a chance to buy a 6X42mm  Kahles contract scope with ballistic cam for .308.

Looking at the picture I'm not sure it will fix my Burris scope mount and rings.

Can anyone tell me anything ?



Will install on a Savage 10 FLP. The neck in front of the elevation and windage knobs looks to short for standard short action model 10. My rings measure 4 5/8" center-to-center.





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I can tell you that its most likely 26mm not 1" (25.4mm) and the tritium reticle is probably dead.  Fairly rare scope because they have to be snuck in due to U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission regulations.  They have a little Tritium pill inside that illuminates the reticle just like the Trijicon ACOGs.  Tritium is highly regulated.  Most of the ones coming in have the little radioactive insignia removed or painted over.

 

Neat, collectible scope and they will bring a premium in the future to those who know what they are.

 

Kahles ZF05 6x42 IDF

Note the radioactive insignia and the special screw on filters (yellow high contrast and Laser).

 

Here's a few other 26mm Israel contract scopes.

 

Tasco 6x44, Nimrod 6x40, Kahles 6x42

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Do you know if it would fit between Burris dovetail mounts on a Model 10 short action receiver?
It measures 4 5/8" center-to-center. The octical-to-turrent distance looks O.K.
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Chris, have you spent any time with the Nimrod scope in the picture?  I have a couple of those and I've been very impressed with their quailty (especially considering that they were made in the 80s).  Just wondering what your impression on them is. 

 

Thanks.

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If this scope really isn't a true 1", what type of rings would you need to use to mount this scope?

Do any scope & ring manufacturers sell in the USA 26mm rings?

 

Koshkin, you mentioned that you own a couple of these 6x scopes.  What is your primary

application for this scope?  Do you think it would work well on a varmint rig where most

shots are under 300yds.?

 

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I've got a couple of these scopes mounted on MilSurp rifles.  One is sitting on a Finnish M39 in 7.62x54R.  The scope has a BDC for 168gr 7.62x51 which has a fairly similar trajectory.  I can comfortably hit steel plates out to about 500yards.  I have not tried it further and I have not tried it on varmints.  It can resolve 7.62mm bullet holes in targets at 100 yards when lighting is reasonably decent, if that helps.  Optically, the closest match I think is an IOR 6x42 hunting scope (a 1" model that a friend of mine has).  It is markedly superior to a Leupold 6x42 that I had and about equal to or slightly better than Zeiss Diavari ZA 1.5-6x42 (both Nimrod and Diavari ZA were made at around the same time).

 

As for 26mm rings.  There are pretty scarce.  However, 1 inch is 25.4 mm.  I took Burris steel rings and after some lapping effort they fit the 26mm rscope tube just fine.

 

ILya

 

 

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Koshkin,

 

Thanks for your help!  I just may pick one of these scopes up.

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These are good scopes.  Of the Israeli contract scopes, I've had Nimrod 6x40 (still have two) and Zeiss Diavari ZA 1.5-6x42.  I ended up selling the Zeiss.  Back when I bought the scopes, I got them for about $200 for the Nimrod and $250 for the Zeiss.  Those were very good deals.  SInce then the guy who exports most of these from Israel has figured out that he can charge a lot more and started charging $400+ for the Nimrods and beat up Zeiss' and ~$800 for good condition Zeiss'.  At these prices Israeli contract scopes are not very good deals at all.  A new IOR 6x42 with 30mm tube and MP-8 reticle, for example, can be had for around $400 and it is little better than either.  On the other hand, not everyone has caught up onto the quality of the Nimrods and occasionally you can fnd one for $200 - $250 and at that prce they are very good buys.

 

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Interesting - I too have a Nimrod scope, and after reading this thread I dug out my calipers and double-checked the measurement on its tube. Mine appears to be a true 1" (not 26mm). Incidentally, http://www.tacticalprecision.com/TSR%20Scope% 20Rings.htm does excellent scope rings (including 26mm).

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Chris, have you spent any time with the Nimrod scope in the picture?  I have a couple of those and I've been very impressed with their quailty (especially considering that they were made in the 80s).  Just wondering what your impression on them is. 

 

Thanks.

ILya

 

Nope, never shot with one.  It just resides in our reference museum.  It appears to be very well made and optically on par with the Kahles from the same time period.

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I have 7 nimrod scopes they are very good and they fit in 1 inch rings just fine.

 

 

 

 

the mauser in the bottom I built has a nimrod, i have ued it out to 800 meters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nice collection fmsniper, I see you got the new Choate folder,how do you like that stock?

I have seen swarovski military contract ZF scopes that look identical to the Kahles.

Are these very similar or is the Swarovski made to slightly higher standards?

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I'm happy to hear that others (or at least you too) have 1" tubes - something would be wrong if I was the only one. The FAL with the NIMROD is a nice 200-600 yard setup - I've done that too. I still have to FF my barrel though.

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the stock is ok not bad I need to cut the barrel down some.

not sure about the swavorski?

but the glass in these a pretty dam god

 

ac4wordplay
yea this one shoots well, so far i have had it out to 600 meters, the barrel is DSA, I built the gun a few years ago from DSA parts

 

 

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Cool,I pmed you fmsniper.
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FMsniper:

My man, you got the coooolest gear!!!

 

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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

I have seen swarovski military contract ZF scopes that look identical to the Kahles.

Are these very similar or is the Swarovski made to slightly higher standards?

 

Swarovski bought Kahles in  1977 and simply put their name on Kahles' existing product.  Swarovski ZF are simply Kahles with Swarovski markings.  They bring more money because of their rarity.

 

If it wasn't for Kahles Swarovski would not have had such good success in the riflescope market.

 

History of Kahles

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Great info Chris,thanks.
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thanks cheaptrick, i build all my own systems

 

i compared this nimrod scope to Muller tac II and burris FFII and it is clearer than both

 

nimrod

 

 

Burris

 

 

 

 

muller tac II

 

 

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I have a Tasco 6x44 that I bought through AAFES back in 1993, it has a 26mm tube and I kinked the tube when I switched from "el cheapo" rings to Leupy Mk4s (damn)...I didn't find this out until I upgraded to a M3 LR and took things apart....it now sits on my FAL using TPS (Tactical Precision) 26mm rings and works great.  I highly recommend TPS, I now own 5 different sets of their rings, bought most from Brownells at $40-$60 a set plus they have a deal for deployed military where you can buy direct at about $37 (hard to beat), see www.tacticalprecision.com...only thing I don't like is the nut is 7/16" vs the normal (Leupy/Badger) 1/2" so I have to carry a extra wrench/socket in my range bag.  If you need 26mm rings, TPS is a great way to go and much better than beat up your tube using 1" rings (don't force it like I did).  
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Originally posted by fmsniper fmsniper wrote:

 

nimrod

 

Hey Nimrod!  Your scope is upside down.

 

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Wow, I learned a lot in this forum. I have a few of these strange rare scopes. My father dealed in Israeli optics, he made a trip to Israel. So this makes sense.


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Interesting thread. I can sure think of some better ways to spend $15K though, even if restricted to rifles and optics.
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fmsniper,just whan to say thanks for all your serviceExcellent
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