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An Austrian company founded in 1898, Kahles is now a subsidiary of Swarovski Optik, which means that its products, though excellent, are intended to be less expensive than similar optics from Swarovski. As its name implies, this scope was designed primarily for American hunters. Unlike European-style scopes, which have first focal plain reticles and 30mm main tubes, the American Hunter has a second focal plane reticle and a one-inch main tube.

KAHLES - LEADING EDGE IN OPTICS For over 100 years now we have been experts in the processing and grinding of glass and for over fifty years we have made it our goal to transfer all this knowledge into innovative and top-quality optical instruments for you.


THE AH LINE HAS BEEN REPLACED BY THE NEARLY IDENTICAL KX LINE. OPTICALLY THE SCOPES ARE THE SAME, BUT THE KX COSTS HUNDREDS MORE. GRAB ONE OF THESE NOW.....WHEN THEY ARE GONE THEY ARE GONE, AND SO IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE HUNDREDS ON A NEW KAHLES.

Specifications for AH Kahles Rifle scopes 3.5 - 10x 50 mm in 4A/Plex:


Magnification:   3.5-10x
Obj. lens diameter:   50 mm
Field of view:   33.6-11.7 ft. @ 100 yds
Exit pupil:   15.1-5mm
Eye relief:   3.54 in.
Diopter compensation:   +2/-3.6
Twilight factor:   12.8-22.4
Impact pt. corr. per click:  .25"/100yds
Range of adjustment:   55.1"/100yds
Tube diameter:  1"
Length:  12.6"
Weight:   15.52 oz.
Reticles:   Plex, 4A, 4D

Features of Kahles AH Rifle scopes 3.5-10x 50mm with 4A, Plex, 4D in 1 inch tube:

  • Lightweight and rugged construction
  • Water- and shockproof design
  • Oversized ocular for extreme wide field of view
  • AMV coating of all lenses for outstanding light transmission
  • Unsurpassed edge to edge clarity
  • Superior low light performance

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The sample list has some for 599 at SWFA , I would stick with a dealer like them that stands behind what they sell and will tell you the exact difference between the AH and KX line

 

http://www.samplelist.com/default.aspx?prod_type=1&hide_ sold=False

 

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I wouldn't buy anything like this scope from Ebay. The little more you pay from SWFA is just a "piece of mind" insurance policy. Great tech support, great customer service, what more could a person want.

With all the SCAMS going on was just curious.

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The American Hunter (AH) is not the same scope as the KX optically or mechanically but the CL is.
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Back in May, I emailed Kahles Austria, as well as called the Rhode Island CS center asking about the differences between the AH, KX, and CL series scopes and how the CL compares to the C.  Both told me that the AH and KX are identical scopes, and that the CL is a step above the AH / KX, basically on par with the C series.  My understanding from what they told me is that they introduced the KX line as a "no frills" alternative to the CL to fill the niche once offered by the AH.  After discontinuing the AH, they no longer had a 1" scope series that was price competitive with their main competitors like the Zeiss Conquest. 

 

Here is the email response I received from Kahles in Vienna, Austria.  The first 2 answers are in response to my questions on the difference between AH and KX, the 3rd is in response to my question about KX vs. CL, and the 4th is in response to my question about CL vs. C:

 

"We are happy to hear that you are the owner of a Kahles scope.

Regarding your questions:

1)       You are right. There is only the difference in appearance. KX is the following model of the AH.

2)       The lenses are the same in KX and AH

3)       CL scopes have parallax adjustment and so the lenses are not the same as the KX lenses. The optical performance is better.

4)       You are right the difference is the tube diameter and C scopes to not have parallax adjustment.

I hope I could answer your questions adequately.

If you have further ones do not hesitate to ask.

Have a nice day.

With best regards from Vienna,"

B. Gruber

 

I don't have a KX scope, but I do own 2 AHs, 1 CL, and 1 CB, and I can tell you the difference between the AH and CL optically is very slight.  I cannot comment on mechanical differences, as I haven't mounted the CL on a rifle yet, and I've never had any mechanical problem with the AH.  One thing's for certain, regardless of which model Kahles scope you get, they are all excellent products.



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Thanks for sharing RifleDude!  Very informative indeed!
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Thanks RifleDude, ordered from SWFA yesterday. Awesome delivery form Texas to Northern Illinois 2 days standard shipping.

Have a Sightron Big Sky 4-16X42 Silver and a Kahles 3.5-10X50 AH coming. Will have both tomorrow. Like a kid in a candy store. Tomorrow when I get home to my new toys, I will compare the Big Sky with a Meopta Moestar, Kahles AH, Bushnell 4200.

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

"We are happy to hear that you are the owner of a Kahles scope.

Regarding your questions:

1)       You are right. There is only the difference in appearance. KX is the following model of the AH.

2)       The lenses are the same in KX and AH

3)       CL scopes have parallax adjustment and so the lenses are not the same as the KX lenses. The optical performance is better.

4)       You are right the difference is the tube diameter and C scopes to not have parallax adjustment.

I hope I could answer your questions adequately.

If you have further ones do not hesitate to ask.

Have a nice day.

With best regards from Vienna,"

B. Gruber

 

This contradicts what U.S. employees at Swarovski of North America (SONA) have told us.  This would be the third time we have received erroneous information about Kahles from the U.S. importer.  I apologize for repeating something that was not true.

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What is the deal with Kahles?  There seems to be some surge in "closeouts" lately.....any info?

Also, how "limited" is the Kahles "Limited Lifetime Warranty"?

I am anxious to hear from people with real-life Kahles experience.

Thanks!!



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Hi Georgiabowhuntr,

 

Welcome aboard. I have 2 Kahles riflescopes and 2 pair of thier binos. They are all great. The Kahles CL 4x12-52 is better to my eyes than my brothers Swarovski Professional Hunter 4-12x50. The Kahles American is also a great scope, but not as good as my CL series. The AH is better than my Zeiss Conquest which is a great scope. Check out the samplelist. You wont go wrong. WWW.samplelist.com Good luck.

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I own a pair of AH 3X9X42's and 10X42 binoculars and I'm very happy with them.  To me they perform as well or better than more expensive optics out there. 

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It seems Swavorski people here, distributing the Kahles scopes, know less than some of the people buying their product.  I think they need to step it up a notch, given the quality of their product.
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