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Once more I am beating the dead horse on the better scope for my project 870 hog rig.
I am getting close though and at a cross roads as to brand and what you are getting for the money.

The application is quite simply to top my 870 slug gun with a good 1-4 or there about with an illuminated recital that is crisp and well defined. This would be mostly a night time gun so low light performance is a plus.

Anyway the question is; with in my budget I am looking to the Hawke in the their dual color hvy duty offering +or- $330.00. This along with four or five other $300.00 - scopes.

And then I find offerings like the SWFA SS Tactical 30mm and one or two others around this price range or less.

The question is; is there regret or experience from any of you that wished they would have saved another $400.00 and got the SS etc. over the $300.00 offerings? Or are these scopes so close in glass etc... that it would be debatable if one could see the difference in a fair comparison?

Thanks for your help on this I really don't mind saving a while longer but if you really have to try and see benefits from the more expensive offering of course I don't want to spend the money. Whacko
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Just Do It !!!!! damn good scopes all the way around.
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Originally posted by hunterwingler hunterwingler wrote:

Just Do It !!!!! damn good scopes all the way around.


Thanks for taking the time to share your input and helping me to understand what you are paying for one scope to the other. Unfortunately I don't have enough money to JUST DO IT in most cases and simply toss the bad discussions in the closet and make it better by buying another.

That is unless I am to understand that you are providing just what I am asking for and you are saying it is your opinion that the Hawke is every bit the scope that the SWFA SS is and there is nothing gained with the extra expense one over the other.

Care to clarify or am I bugging you?

 
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Tell ya what why not just look @ 100s of review about them on here be a lot easier. I dont know much about the Hawk maybe some the other guys in here could help ya out better. It took me 7 or years to buy mine a lot research went into it I wish I would done it sooner from I can tell the $$ its a damn good scope, but hell what do I know
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Aimpoint 9000L 30mm Red Dot Sight 2 MOA Dot Aimpoint 9000L 30mm Red Dot Sight
Stock # - AIM11419
  • Matte
  • 2 MOA Dot
  • 30mm
  • Free Aimpoint Bikini Lens Cover w/ Purchase
$397.95
Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope Red Triangle Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR24R
  • Matte
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  • 30mm
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Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope German #4 Crosshair w/ Green Dot Trijicon 1-4x24 Accu-Point 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - TR243G
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SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
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  • First Focal Plane Illuminated T (Post/Mil-Scale)
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  • .10 Mrad
  • HD Model
  • Capped Turrets
  • Submersible
  • Operating Temp. -5 - 160 Fahrenheit
  • 23 mils of total travel
$799.95
Pick from this list or expect to regret not having done so.  I have several Super Sniper scopes and I have several trijicon scopes and I have several aimpoint scopes. I do not own a Hawke and I do not intend to ever own a Hawke.  When you look at the Hawke it looks pretty good but I want my equipment to hold up to whatever type of abuse it might encounter and continue to work even when things go bad.   I think the real advantage of the SS 1-4 is that you could dial in correction for trajectory compensation with a rifle. With a shotgun thats about pointless as trajectory sucks past 100yds.   Having struggled for years trying to make an accurate shotgun set up I have given up on shotguns and gone to muzzleloaders since we only have those as choices in Iowa.  Quite frankly there are some guys out there who can get a 4 inch group consistently at 100 yds with a slug gun I look at that and compare my rifle targets with the bullets touching and am not satisfied with the low level of performance the shotgun has for accuracy.  I still have riot guns and bird guns but I dont expect hundred yard accuracy much less two hundred yard accuracy out of them.  Personally what I would put on the shotgun if I was going to hunt with it would be the aimpoint I have had one of them on a slug gun and for brush or fast action or low light it will work,  granted its not going to be as bright of an image in low light as the SS or the Trijicon but its half the price and not much more than your Hawke.  Other than that watch the samplelist for used ones.
That little red dot in the aimpoint covers two inchs at 100 yds that workable.
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I'd buy one of these before id buy the Hawke and I dont really like Burris.
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The $300 scopes are not even in the same league as the SS 1-4x.  It was built to compete against Nightforce, S&B, Vortex Razor etc.  
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Burris Tac 30 1-4 illuminated, reticle might be a bit busy since its got drop points, but its a very clear and crisp scope.  Ive never spent 800 on a scope, so not sure how it would compare to the SS, but its hard to imagine 500 dollars difference if that makes sense.  Not sure how it would be that much better.
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Thanks for the Burris info I will have a look. I know that Burris has had a long time rep for offering good quality for a fair price. 
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Seriously guys.  A $300 scope is not going to compare to the SS.  The SS 1-4x is a flat out amazing scope.  There is not a comparable scope I bet under $1500 that offers what it offers spec and quality wise.   The glass is as good as Japanese glass can be.  The illumination is the best I have personally ever seen for battery ill.  The knobs are perfect, it is FFP.  Matching reticle and adjustments.  The eyeplacement is not critical and it is backed my SWFA.  You just cannot beat this scope.  I have a Burris Euro, and I guarantee no $300 Burris is as good as the SS 1-4x.   

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Originally posted by REP REP wrote:

Thanks for the Burris info I will have a look. I know that Burris has had a long time rep for offering good quality for a fair price. 
Brick HitThat was the response I got from Burris Customer Service the 3 times I have had serious problems with their scopes.  I have two fixed power Burris scopes that work well but I have had more than my share of problems with Burris and their customer service SUCKS. On the bright side the 3-9 Fullfield is a scope they have made for a long long time and it should be an OK scope untill the illuminator button wears out.  Last battery operated product I got from Burris I am still waiting for info on where I can get a working battery . Whacko 
 
As for the Super Sniper being worth what it cost  --   it is not only worth what it costs --- it is a true BARGAIN at what it is priced at compared to other optics with similar quality glass and truely rugged internal mechanisms that are combat ready.  So if you are the average guy you probably dont need one but then you probably dont need airconditioning in your car either but there are times (usually at the worst possible moment) when it is nice to have something that works even if you had to pay a little extra to get it.  There are lots of guys who will never own a better scope than what they can find at wal mart  --  but there is a difference in quality.   You are the only one who can determine what is woth buying with your money so good luck.  I'll stick with my Trijicons and Aimpoints when I want illumination.
 
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Im not saying the Tac 30 is going to be on par, or even close.  But ill put it this way...I make decent money, have a family, and like to shoot.  Could I really afford the SS...yes.  Could I better spend 500 extra over the Tac 30 on something else, like stuff for kids or family, to me yes.  The marginal gain for what I am really going to use it for is just not enough to dish out another 500...again that is just to me.  Burris is clear, nice bright reticle, cant complain.....unless maybe I looked through the SS :)

 
Just think, you could buy the Burris or something else for 300.  If you dont like it, return it.  If you like it, go blow 500 bucks on ammo, targets, bipods, sandbags, hookers, beer.....
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Here is my review of it.  http://opticstalk.com/my-new-swfa-ss-14x_topic27850.html


This is very good information and has shut me up as to the optics for the 870 project. ( Did I hear someone say finally?) I will be saving for a while longer and will be buying one of these no brainier. Good by new OPPO-95 at least for a while.

 Question though; I saw that both red and green illumination were displayed in the add for this SS. Does it have both or do you have to choose when ordering? 
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Supertool is spot on. The 1-4x SS is an amazing optic that covers a lot of ground. 

AR, bolt gun, shotgun with equal enthusiasm. It's worth every penny of it's cost, IMO. Could easily cost more $$$$.
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No, it only has red illumination.  That must have been an add for something else.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

No, it only has red illumination.  That must have been an add for something else.


Right you are; I went back and enlarged the side by side photo and both are red. But as if this wasn't expected whats with the to different types of illumination configurations? Is it one way at one power and another at another?
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Originally posted by REP REP wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

No, it only has red illumination.  That must have been an add for something else.


Right you are; I went back and enlarged the side by side photo and both are red. But as if this wasn't expected whats with the to different types of illumination configurations? Is it one way at one power and another at another?

Not sure I follow. 

There are 2 different FFP reticles. A donut and T reticle. 1 has capped turrets, the other has exposed.
Mine is the donut and exposed turrets.  
Both have the same color and illumination settings, I believe.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by REP REP wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

No, it only has red illumination.  That must have been an add for something else.


Right you are; I went back and enlarged the side by side photo and both are red. But as if this wasn't expected whats with the to different types of illumination configurations? Is it one way at one power and another at another?

Not sure I follow.

Sorry for the delay I was traveling; I guess I am referring to the newly found statement From red dot to mil dot.   how does that work? Iv'e seen both and they look ideal for what I am doing.

There are 2 different FFP reticles. A donut and T reticle. 1 has capped turrets, the other has exposed.
Mine is the donut and exposed turrets.  
Both have the same color and illumination settings, I believe.  
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OK, gotcha!

That simply means that at 1x with a FFP reticle, with the illumination on, you have a "red dot" that can be used in a CQB scenario, much like an Aimpoint or Eotech.

At 4x, you have a mil based reticle for shooting distance and can use the hash marks to hold over.



Make sense?
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

OK, gotcha!

That simply means that at 1x with a FFP reticle, with the illumination on, you have a "red dot" that can be used in a CQB scenario, much like an Aimpoint or Eotech.

At 4x, you have a mil based reticle for shooting distance and can use the hash marks to hold over.



Make sense?

Absolutely; this was what I had thought was going on but with the advances in technology you never no what they will come up with. Thank you for taking the time. 
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I'd sure like to see that illuminated reticle in a 5-20x50  Devil
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