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I don't think the site is anti-leo- after all there must be a standard to judge all others.
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That Dale, is the truth. Leupold is not the best in every catagory, but the whole package is usually very good for most realistic hunting situations.

 

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Dale and Roy, well said.

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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

This site is not anti-Leupold. It is merely divided into two camps, those that own Leupolds and those that cannot afford Leupolds.

 

We who own them walk around with a smug look on our faces, and usually take our rifles out of our gunbags with a great flourish. We act  coy and pretend not to hear all the oohs and ahs when lesser non-Leupold mortals catch sight of the rising Golden Ring of the Leupold scope. Leupold owners do not mind that they pay a premium for the Great Name. We know what we have and quality do not come cheap.

 

Non_leupold owners again are in a class of their own. Some openly covet the Golden Ring and unashamedly grab a rifle adorned with a Leupold and looks through the glass. Suitably dazzled they walk around with that glazed looked dreaming of the day that they can afford one.

The more difficult non-Leupold owner is the closset-envier. He hides his envy behind a wall of technical jargon and talks about value-for-money, quality of glass, dawn or dusk visibility, eye-relief and all that stuff. He then throws all these strange names into the mix like Nikon, Burris, S&B, Zeis, Super Sniper and heaven forbid Bushnell. This is called deflection. They just want to deflect from the Golden Ring.

So in the end this site is united. Those that own a leupold, and those that would like to.

 

I hope this was a joke, as many of us including myself could afford putting a Leupold on our rifles, but choose not to for many of the above noted reasons.  In addition, if it is not a joke, it is quite rude and demeaning to state those people who cannot afford to buy a Leupold.  Not everyone is as fortunate as yourself and at one time nor was I.  Alot of people are on a budget and fortunately for them, they can buy a better scope than a Leupold for a lesser price.  Maybe I am over reacting and this was meant to be a joke, but there are alot of people that cannot afford to buy the finest and most expensive equipment made and that does not make them envious of those who own Leupold scope or a lesser hunter or person.  Actually in a way, it makes them a more saavy shopper and they spend their hard earned dollars more wisely and thus end up with that better scope that costs less than the equivalent Leupold, frequently owned by snobbly people.

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Don't take it seriously Dolphin, 8shots is just having some good natured fun with this one!

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Oh, ok.
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I did not start this thread to "watch it flame", Sir.

I don't mind you posting Private Messages sent between us (with out my permission) either, because I feel it shows that I'm being honest. (Not something I would have done, but no harm.)

I don't think you were "back doored" in any way. If you feel I owe you an apology, I'm not sure I owe you one, friend.

  

I want to know WHY this forum gets accused so much for being, in your words, "anti Leupold", Mike. Theres no hidden agenda there, my friend, it's a valid question.

 

Not trying to put you on the rack, Mike. I'm just asking you for a clarification, which you have sort of provided, and to see from the other members what they have to say.

 

There's obviously something to the anti Leupold deal you claim happens here, but I don't think it's fair or accurate. 

AGAIN...It's not just you saying it.     



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Well Mike, I will add my wicked 2 cents.  Where I live in Eastern NC, just about every grown up hunter with means uses a Leupold scope.  I have grown up with that my whole life.  I was like growing up around everybody loving UNC, which I hate with a passion.  So, when I grew up and could afford my own scopes, I did what people should do, is shop around.  Read reviews, look through the scopes and go to sites like this one.  I now own probably 50 or 60 rifle scopes stretching in price from 50 bucks to 750 bucks, with most in the middle.  I never owned a Leupold until recently.  I used my American Express advantage points that had accumulated, due to my ex-wife's purchases, to get a VX-II 3x9, as I wanted to give Leupold a fair chance, against the other brands, disregarding the price.  That was the reason I had never purchased a Leupold.  Their price scale is way off of the mark.  When I can buy a Sightron SII 3x9 for around 200 dollars with single tube construction, compared to the 2 tube construction of the VX-II at 300 dollars, why should I cough up the extra 100, just because it says Leupold on the scope.  I am finishing a custom rifle in a .243 Winchester and plan to mount the scope on that rifle with Warne bases and QD rings.  Out of the box it appears well made and is optically quite clear.  I really have not had a chance to compare to anything else except a Mueller Tac II, which out classes it optically by a mild to moderate margin and a Trijicon TR-22, which is way out of its league optically.  Regardless, it appears quite good.  Still, getting back to my point, the whole line up is similarly priced, but even gets worse as the price goes up.  I mean, when the price gets to the point you can afford Euro glass, something has to give and that means better optics.  This I know, because all those guys who hunt with the Leupolds that I know, I have looked through about every one of them and shot through quite of few and there was definately nothing special there.  Now when it comes to having first hand knowledge about alot of other scopes, other than what I own, primarily Euro models, my personal knowledge is limited.  Do not get me wrong, there was nothing wrong with the Leupolds, but nothing to justify their price.  My personal self esteem is stable enough that I do not need to have the golden ring on the scope mounted to my rifle.  However, the self esteem of many people is sufficiently low, that they seem to have to have that ring and will pay that price, or they will suffer to much grief from their hunting buddies for having a non-Leupold scope on their rifle.  By the way.  They mostly shoot Brownings around here and the same logic applies.
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Cheap, he is giving you the around the bend.  Personally, I think it is wrong to post PMs. 

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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

Cheap, he is giving you the around the bend.  Personally, I think it is wrong to post PMs. 

 

Mike650, in all fairness, is just echoing what others have said here from time to time.

I just want to know what is considered "dumping" on Leupold from Team Leupold.

 

No problem with posting the PM's either, Mike.        

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HMMMM, Seems there was a song by Cheaptrick called "The Flame"

It's as good a song as this thread.

and posting PMs is supposed to be banned unless prior permission is given.

You're lucky Cheap has had his coffee, Mike.

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I have to admit I have heard several rather anti leupold posts over the last several years but mostly when it boils down to it the complaint is based on the fact the person just can't justify the expense. I do think that Leupold does get you in the pocketbook a bit much for certain reticles etc. but I kind of understand that they have had expenses developing those balistic reticles and marketing them and they do provide a significant advantage so price/value has a correlation to usefulness. I also understand that a lot of the mid priced Leupold glass really doesnt stack up against the best in the world German glass --- but the practical side is that you can take a scope with less than photo quality glass and kill all the deer you can eat and if you cant it's not the scopes fault it's failure to practice and know what your equipment will do. I have Leupold scopes going on 40 yrs old that still work fine, bring those others back in fourty yrs and see how they held up.
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I ain't touching this one, Trick!!! 

 

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"Put the 2.5-8 VXIII on the Blackpowder permanently . It is the right magnification range and should be a good match.  Mount the Swaro 3x10x42 on the Weatherby ' I wrote this as a response to a request for advise on purchasing just one scope for 2 guns .

 I have to admit that  I am one of the many that find Leupolds to be fine , rugged, but overpriced products. I have a fixed 2X on a Ruger 44 , and  3 VX-III's 2.5x8x36 mounted on an Encore 50 cal Bpowder, Marlin 336 stainless, and a Winchester 70 compact 7mm/08. Each scope seems to fill the optic needs of each weapon just fine. It's just that as the market has evolved over the last decade, Leupold's price point is about 15% too high considering what can be had from Bushnell, Weaver,  Zeiss,Trijicon,and others.

I know lots of "old school" guys that gotta have a Leupold, and be-damn all that don't ( and they are way worse than those the belittle Leupold's pricing) . Mention you own a Bushnell, and holy crap you're going to hell for that one. I've sat and had the opportunity to view similar classed Leupolds and the competition side by side , and it's a close call, but you're gonna pay more. If that's your bag, then go ahead, it's a free market ! Heck, give me a chance to rip on a scope manufacturer, and I think Nikon is the pits since moving their manufacturing base to the Phillipines and definitely needs a lesson in customer service  ( but that's another story).. Leupolds are okay , and I certainly don't feel the ones I have now are a bad choice, and am not looking to replace them. It's just that we have more alternatives than ever before, and the old standard VX series may work okay , but just isn't the only solution or the best value.

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Hey Dolphin,,,,,,Commenting on "8shot`s" remarks??!!! You beat me to it!!!! I don`t think he meant it as a joke. I do believe that he was quite serious! His comments do reflect a SMALL  MINORITY of snobby and eliteist Leupold owners, who feel that the sun rises and sets with their Leupold scopes!...........I find it interesting that the vast majority of "non Leupold" owners including myself, have expressed favorability towards Leupold in these forums. In this forum and debate, when we express and justify our reasons why we don`t own Leupold scopes, sometimes what you get as a reaction in return, 8shots included and from the snobby elites, is nothing more than emotional ramblings and diatribe!......I notice in "8shots" last post that he mentions nothing or offers nothing as to any advantages or quality superiorities that Leupold scopes offer compared to other scopes mentioned on this thread. It certainly seems to me that if one is going to justify his belief about something or in a product, then at the very least, one should offer some valid reasons why!!! Do you notice that we don`t see anything like that coming from these very few elite snobs?..............You`ll read in one of my last posts on this thread, that I literally challenged any elite, snobby and diehard Leupold owner to comment for us, on specifically why and how the VX111`s for example, are superior to the 4200`s, in optics, in durability and in construction! I have also made this challenge on another thread sometime ago. I am not interested in who endorses Leupold! I am not intertested in what "grand pappy" thinks! I am not interested in emotional ramblings, emotional talking points or opinions which are based on nothing more than opinions!........I am looking for facts. Manufacturing and design facts, in optics, in durability and in construction which can prove the VX111`s superiority over the 4200, the Monarch and others!!!.................If the comments by 8shots and similiar comments made by others are the BEST that they can do or offer, then the rest of us can only consider the source......If you diehard (never consider anything else) Leupold owners say you own the best; well then, let`s read why you own the best and justify your opinions with facts!!.....................As for you 8shots!! If a 4200 and a VX111 were the same price, I`d still buy the 4200 and not look back! I can assure you that I am a "non Leupold" owner, not because I can`t afford one, it`s because the 4200 optically, is simply a better scope than the VX111...... If you very few and in the minority diehard and snobby, (never will consider anything else), Leupold owners wish to convince the rest of us that your Leupold scope is superior, then do so with your product, the facts and stay on subject!!! Unlike the above ramblings that we see with 8shots, let`s read some facts and offer some real evidence.............................Hey 8shots! I sincerely hope that your user name doesn`t mean that you had to take 8 shots to down an animal!!!!! If so, did you have a Leupold on that rifle????      
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I think 8shots was just kidding around, Squeezer.
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Agree, he's always been a gentleman and far from what I would call an elitist.
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I thought it was funny, of course its tongue in cheek. It's not a contest , leo doesn't need anyone to prove what it is or isn't -- the market place will take care of that.

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If he`s joking around then fine!! If not???? I can`t read the guy`s mind or understand the motives simply by what he types!!!! I will still wait for his,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,facts and evidence!!! 
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8shots wouldn't do anything to cause such a stink guys, I'd have to agree with Cheaptrick, Dale, and Dogger, it's tongue in cheek, besides what does it really matter ?
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And here we thought the Millett threads were bad, might as well add Leupold to that category there Cheaptrick
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If he wasn't joking around, I think there are 12 step programs for that illness as well...........
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

And here we thought the Millett threads were bad, might as well add Leupold to that category there Cheaptrick

 

Note to self....No more Millet or Leupold threads......Got it!!

 

Well, this ones been interesting, as I knew it would be. 

 

Thanks to all!!

Mike650, no hard feelings here.... 

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