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Are the Browning BARs with the alloy receiver more prone to jamm with good factory ammo than the BARs with the steel receiver? Is either one near 100% reliable with good factory ammo in a clean rifle in good working condition with a good magazine? Thanks for any help with this.
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With a clean rifle with good ammo they should have the same reliablity.
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Thanks, SVT_Tactical, I have an older BAR with the steel receiver and a near new light weight  stalker in 338 winchester. The older one is in 300 winchester. I want to be confident in these rifles.
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 I think with any semi-auto, it's a good idea to just run a lot of ammo through them to get them broken in and smoothed out.  If you have any issues, make a careful note of what is actually happening as far as any hang-ups, etc.  A little filing here or stoning there or perhaps a slight twist to the magazine lips with a pliers will almost always solve any feeding issues. It's best not to do too much until it gets run a little, though; at least a couple hundred rounds in my opinion...
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

 I think with any semi-auto, it's a good idea to just run a lot of ammo through them to get them broken in and smoothed out.  If you have any issues, make a careful note of what is actually happening as far as any hang-ups, etc.  A little filing here or stoning there or perhaps a slight twist to the magazine lips with a pliers will almost always solve any feeding issues. It's best not to do too much until it gets run a little, though; at least a couple hundred rounds in my opinion...
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Good point the way they make tolorances so tight these days it takes time to get them as smooth as the older guns we have owned and shot enough.
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Thanks Ronk. I am not a handloader and not very handy with the type of repairs you said could be needed. 200 rounds would be over $200 and I would have my gunsmith do any filling or stoning. I have Remington pumps in 35 Whelen and 30:06 model 7600 that I have faith in from putting lots of ammo through them in the good old days when ammo was cheap. The pumps are very close to the autos for fast aimed repeat shots. I am thinking about selling these automatics if they are not almost 100% reliable out of the box. I bought them used so perhaps the old owner had problems but they look in good shape.
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I would test fire them.  Just keep in mind they aren't build for as fast as you can pull the trigger shooting.  Fire then count to three fire... that kind of thing.  The barrels will also heat up quick say around 5-10 rounds in 5 minutes.  Test the reliability and if you dont' like them post them in the marketplace here.
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SVT-Tactical thanks. The 300 has probably had some rounds through it already as it is in good shape but it the look of a rifle that has been used alot. The 338 looks like new. Do you think if I run a box of the ammo I would for hunting through them and there are no problems that there probably are no problems? I know yuo can not say for sure, I am just asking for your best guess. 
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i would say so.
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We have two of the older ones in 7mm mag and in .243.  I have mine for 16 years and my dad has had is for probably 35.  They both just shoot and shoot.  I talked to my gun smith about having him go through them one day as they have never been checked out by a smith.  He said pretty much every problem he has ever seen with them is the gas system just needs worked over and cleaned up.  I am pretty confident in them and neither of them has ever failed us during use.  Granted occasionally a malfunction occurs, but it can usually be traced back to a dirty action.   
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Have they been been cleaned and oiled? That's where most people let the gun down.  If the thing has not been shot in six months it is often dry.  They want to shoot it dry and then clean and oil. 
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

Have they been been cleaned and oiled? That's where most people let the gun down.  If the thing has not been shot in six months it is often dry.  They want to shoot it dry and then clean and oil. 
 Very true.
 Also, if it was oiled with a poor quality 'household" oil, and then put away for awhile, the oil will often get real gummy, almost tar-like, glopping things up royally. A good solvent will dissolve it easily, though.
 
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

We have two of the older ones in 7mm mag and in .243.  I have mine for 16 years and my dad has had is for probably 35.  They both just shoot and shoot.  I talked to my gun smith about having him go through them one day as they have never been checked out by a smith.  He said pretty much every problem he has ever seen with them is the gas system just needs worked over and cleaned up.  I am pretty confident in them and neither of them has ever failed us during use.  Granted occasionally a malfunction occurs, but it can usually be traced back to a dirty action.   
 
My thoughts are the same as Jason's above. My 7mm Bar is a 1970 #II style, its Belgium made. I like it so much I sent it to Browning for new springs, then had it blasted and painted with Dura Coat, Complete Trigger job too! Had a Limbsaver installed  to fit perfectly. Now its getting a muzzlebrake and recrowned. When it gets back home it will have a nice Swaro Scope 3x10x42 and new mounts/rings.
That should tell you what I think of my 1970 Browning Bar. I have to say it did not kick a shell out properly 1 time and thats why it went back to Browning for new springs throughout...BUT I still end up dropping both Bucks I was shooting at when it acted up, Great Rifle for me!! JF 


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Thanks everyone.I will keep them then and make sure they are lightly oiled before I shoot them. I have Remington and shooters choice gun oil. What type of oil is best for this? If I do not have it  I will get it.                        
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i have a old 742 remington i use delco auto transmission fluid .my 742 always worked until the clip catch got wore off . now ever now or then the clip will fall out or drop down.but it always works on the first shot.over the years it has shot several 3 shot groups under a inch.
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