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any help with this decision

gun - wb-vanguard submoa 270 wsm

got it down to leupold vx-l  4.5-14  56 mm   or   kahles  cl 3-12 x  56 mm

would agree glass in kahles is better  but i am leaning toward giving up a little glass quality to have the
56 mm scope mount on low rings with leupold vs high with kahles.  

what u think

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i still take a kahles all day no matter what kind of rings and bases i may have to use.

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I`m with Pryo too on that one.........Kahles!!
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If you absolutely need that large an objective, it really makes for kind of an awkward rig when mounted high enough to clear the barrel.( If it's a general-purpose hunting rifle, of course.) The VX-L solves that with that weird cut-out objective bell. Although it's appearance takes a bit of getting used to, it really works rather well to facilitate low scope mounting, and as a result obtain the proper cheekweld necessary for fast and accurate offhand shooting, under field conditions. Although the 56mm.Kahles is brighter, according to many on this forum, I really think the 56mm. Leupold would be more fairly compared to perhaps a 40 mm. objective Kahles,because of the very real advantage in low mounting height, in which case the difference in relative brightness may in fact favor the Leupold. I really don't know from personal comparison, just throwing it in the air for you guys to fight over... (I'd really like to hear Koshkin's take on this issue.) 

  If you choose the 56mm Kahles, at least put a thick cheekrest on the comb of your rifle stock.

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LL1234, look at the specs on both scopes, the F.O.V. is much less on the VX-L. I compared the 50mm bell because there was no 56mm VX-L bell specs on this site but a 50mm comparison should be close.

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the vx-l is not worth the money, in my opinion.  the glass found in the kahles C and CL scopes is wonderful.

 

i would stick w/ kahles, zeiss, IOR, or Elite 4200 in that price range.

 

get a #4 reticle for deer, you'll love it.

 

i would go 50 mm, or even a 1.5-6x42 would be plenty bright and decent magnification out to 300 yrds or so.

that would give you the lower profile and still be great in lowlight.

 

do you take LONG LONG shots at game? if not, you don't need high magnification. resolution from great glass
trumps BRIGHTNESS, in some scenarios.

 

good luck. and welcome to the OT.

 

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Getting the Leupold over the Kahles would be a huge mistake, especially if you plan to do any hunting.  
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Originally posted by TheDrakeTaker TheDrakeTaker wrote:

Getting the Leupold over the Kahles would be a huge mistake, especially if you plan to do any hunting.  
  amen brother!
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Originally posted by TheDrakeTaker TheDrakeTaker wrote:

Getting the Leupold over the Kahles would be a huge mistake, especially if you plan to do any hunting.  

 

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you need to read that again, its the truth he is saying its a bad idea to take  the loopie over the kahles
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Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

the vx-l is not worth the money, in my opinion.  the glass found in the kahles C and CL scopes is wonderful.

 

i would stick w/ kahles, zeiss, IOR, or Elite 4200 in that price range.

 

get a #4 reticle for deer, you'll love it.

 

i would go 50 mm, or even a 1.5-6x42 would be plenty bright and decent magnification out to 300 yrds or so.

that would give you the lower profile and still be great in lowlight.

 

do you take LONG LONG shots at game? if not, you don't need high magnification. resolution from great glass
trumps BRIGHTNESS, in some scenarios.

 

good luck. and welcome to the OT.

 

J

You guys are talking about the VX-L and not the VX-1 right? I'm not real sure, but I think we are discussing two VERY different animals. I've used a VX-L and it is very good glass. As good as a Kahles at the same price point? I don't know, never having used a Kahles, but it is WAY better than many others...and it has the ONLY large objective bell that can be mounted low. PERIOD.

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Oh yeah, definitely talking about the VX-L.  It doesn't hold a candle to the Kahles.
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ok i was thinking thats what you meant had me scratching my head for a second there.
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I am a big fan of Kahles and would take one over any Leupold for hunting purposes.

1. A scope has to look good on a rifle to start with. I can't get past the looks of the VX-L.

2. Kahles resolution and brightness is superior to the Leupolds I have seen including the VX-L.

3. My Kahles have been just as trouble free as any of my Leupolds.

4. Though Trinidad has a really nice stick with a Hubbel on it I would never have a 56mm on a big game gun. I find the looks of a 30mm tubed scope with a 50mm okay. My 2.2-9x42 Kahles sits on a 7mag and I can see anything that I can pick up with my 7x42 Zeiss binoculars at last legal light. This is out to over three hundred yards, 1/2 hour after sunset, Michigan law.

 

Good luck with your choice,

Doug

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