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Watch this... if this does not boil your blood, you are already dead...

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That was a great post Dan.  I have sent that link to every single person I know.

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Kookyfornia leads the way.................................................................................again. Geez. Time for Ilya to investigate and correct this situation!
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I bet that its like that everywhere we just don't track it!
 
When I worked at the Safeway grocery store next to a Liquor store people were forever trying to trade foodstamps for cash so they could buy liquor and play the lottery.
 
I totally mismanaged system, totally abused by the dirtballs....I'm not surprised at all!  Disgusted but not surprised!


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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I bet that its like that everywhere we just don't track it!
 


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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Watch this... if this does not boil your blood, you are already dead...

http://videos2view.net/welfare-vacations.htm
 
Heck, Thats just what the program officals are spending.
 
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Yep, we've lost control of this country.
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Originally posted by lucytuma lucytuma wrote:

Yep, we've lost control of this country.

I agree, it started when all this flew flew feel good about your self crap and don’t' hurt anyone else's feelings BS started. Shortly after that the leaders of this country started the entitlement BS. So now every one thinks there entitled to everything and no one will stand up and hurt there feelings and tell them other wise and they have to get off the couch and work for it. It’s BS if you ask me

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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

I bet that its like that everywhere we just don't track it!
 
When I worked at the Safeway grocery store next to a Liquor store people were forever trying to trade foodstamps for cash so they could buy liquor and play the lottery.
 
I totally mismanaged system, totally abused by the dirtballs....I'm not surprised at all!  Disgusted but not surprised!
Of course it is like that everywhere.  Kalifornia just got to be the butt of the investigation. 
 
Near Christmas shortly after I moved to Alabama, I went to Wal-mart late one night.  I was checking out and heard the checker at the next aisle over telling a woman "I've run your welfare card three times now and it says there is no value left on this card".  I was going over to pay for  the lady's items, just about to hand a credit card to the checker, when I saw what was being purchased... not one real food item (she had three small young children with her)... there were several paper grocery bags of chips, cupcakes, candy, cookies, Cokes, and some beer.  The woman was paying cash for the beer and told the checker to put everything else back.  I immediately lost all "Christmas Spirit".  I couldn't see buying all that garbage.  If the woman had had food, toys, etc., I would have covered it for her. 
I despise the entire welfare system, wish we could turn the whole thing "OFF"...
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Ditto the above statement...

I worked at a "unnamed" market in the mid 90's.  This is when stamps came in the tear out books.

The first of the month (when you got your book of stamps) was horrible, the populous of welfare "recipients" bought Steaks, Seafood, and the Crap in a Bag as mentioned and drove away in Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, and other near exotic cars if you will and even tried tipping in stamps and would always boast about how good they were going to eat tonight, (a few times I heard them talk of the restaurants they were going to deliver the food to, meaning they then sold it to someone they knew or profited off of it).

Around Christmas time they were living up large besides the: Tripe, Menudo, and Chitterlings they were getting things my family (upper middle class) would not of even put on our table the "current" market price stuff Seafood, and then the 10lb and up Specialty meats...

It was then I learned that our society is whacked in how we reward the lazy.

I know it does exist for those who are going through rough times and it should but that is not what we are talking about here.

The process is ridiculous and can be manipulated to easy...


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It's hard to feel sorry for someone like that, although I would for the kids since it's not their fault mama's so stupid. I wouldn't go so far as to turn the whole thing off though. Would you cut off some guy that broke his back on a construction site and was trying to buy his kids some eggs and vegetables? There are kids I knew growing up that were on free or reduced lunch. Most of them ended up making something of themselves and are productive citizens. Some of them were military brats. (This was back when service pay was even worse than it is now). These things are never just all black and white.

As a Christian, I believe strongly in helping my fellow man, although not to be blind to dishonesty or deception. As a citizen of a country that is not subsidiary to any church, I believe that as an American it is also right for government to help those less fortunate. I'm not condoning waste or abuse. I'm saying we as a people have an obligation to help others but to do it wisely.
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I dont about anywhere else but i'm pretty sure the only cash you can take of ur card is that of the child support your getting
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I do not believe the Government should be in the business of socialism.  There is nothing in the Constitution that allows the welfare state, we have allowed it by default.  Personally, I give to those in need, I give to my Church and am able to observe and oversee how those funds are spent.  Allowing the government to tax you and give your money to someone else creates the situtations the world is in now... governments collapsing due to overburdened entitlement programs, the United States of America borrowing $0.40 of every dollar doled out for outrageous programs.  It has never worked, it doesn't work now, it will never work.  The only way "charity" works is if people perform the charitable actions themselves. 
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So if I give a dollar to my church and the church gives the dollar to Joe Blow because he needs help that is not socialism? But if I give a dollar to the government and the government gives that dollar to Joe Blow then it's socialism?

Again, here is why this is important: For better or worse (and mostly for better if you look at countries that allowed churches to rule them) our founding fathers declared a separation between church and state. Because this is a nation of many creeds and beliefs, it is the Federal government that is the only entity that We the People share in common and it is the only mechanism with which we can act in common. Sure, I can get together with most everybody in my church or even my denomination but I cannot also expect those entities to coordinate everything they do with the multitude of other religious institutions. What I'm saying is that in this country government can have a role in helping those who need it. At some point, if the tax and regulatory burden amounted to the government having de facto control over all means of production and distrubution, that would be Socialism.

Some of those outrageous programs that the government has borrowed money for are run under the Department of Defense. Don't tell me that in your experience you have seen the DoD spend every penny it has ever received wisely. Aside from curbing abuse and waste in discretionary programs, the three places we need to cut spending are Defense, Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare.
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The cold hard truth is that few if any have respect for something thats given and not earned!  Somewhere in the middle of that is self respect.  I've known people that refused to apply for unemployment even though they had more than earned it. At the same time I've seen others that once they got past the self respect hurdle became complete pasasites that stopped even trying to find work.  Shortly thereafter they turned belligerent and felt they were owed everything they wanted for free.

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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

So if I give a dollar to my church and the church gives the dollar to Joe Blow because he needs help that is not socialism? But if I give a dollar to the government and the government gives that dollar to Joe Blow then it's socialism?

Again, here is why this is important: For better or worse (and mostly for better if you look at countries that allowed churches to rule them) our founding fathers declared a separation between church and state. Because this is a nation of many creeds and beliefs, it is the Federal government that is the only entity that We the People share in common and it is the only mechanism with which we can act in common. Sure, I can get together with most everybody in my church or even my denomination but I cannot also expect those entities to coordinate everything they do with the multitude of other religious institutions. What I'm saying is that in this country government can have a role in helping those who need it. At some point, if the tax and regulatory burden amounted to the government having de facto control over all means of production and distrubution, that would be Socialism.

Some of those outrageous programs that the government has borrowed money for are run under the Department of Defense. Don't tell me that in your experience you have seen the DoD spend every penny it has ever received wisely. Aside from curbing abuse and waste in discretionary programs, the three places we need to cut spending are Defense, Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare.
 
You know it doesn't work that way.  If you want to give directly to the govt, I guess  feel free. I will NOT.  The govt confiscates under threat of imprisonment... there is little in the way of taxes that I freely give to the govt.  I'm sorry you can't see the point.  If you give a dollar to someone on the street, or give a dollar to your Chuch, you can get and see immediate feedback on what your contribution has accomplished.  The confiscated funds doled out by the govt have caused far more harm than good, perpetuated far more poverty than alleviated.  Look at the numbers... when the "great society" started, the poverty level in the US was at about 12.5%, it has gone to above 15%, but never below about 11% and is at 12.5-13% right now.  So tell me, what good has it done?  The poverty level had fallen from about 30% to 12.5% and was trending toward decline when the "great society" went into effect, and it has pretty much maintained an average of 12.5% ever since.  I contend that individuals and churches handle the needs of the indigent much better and with much more positive effect than the govt ever can or will.  Govt performing "welfare" is a "feel good" panacea for liberals.  Only those who make a concerted effort to get out of poverty ever really do and the first thing they do is refuse govt programs...
For every person who has made the climb from poverty using govt programs, I'll show 100 who are wallowing the waste govt has foisted upon them...
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