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Loco Ok, the gears are turning and smoke is slowly seaping out my ears.
 
I'm in the market for a specialty scope. It's going on a long range "bean field" type rifle to shoot deer at medium/long range.
 
The delima is which size scope to buy. I've got the brand and model picked out but they make it with a 50mm and 56mm objective. Of coarse the 50mm is the one I want because it's not as bulky but, this is a specialty rig desined for one purpose and I'm not going to be carrying it around much. I think I can learn to like a 56mm scope IF there much benifit to it. So there is my question. Is the 56mm scope that much brighter than a 50mm? And, is the extra bulk worth the extra light transmission?
 
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I don't know.  But if I had a beanfield rifle that I was going to use while sitting and not climbing mountains, I would get one.  What the heck.  If weight is not an issue, and if high mounts is not a concern, I'm sure a real fabulous 56mm scope would probably be very bright.  You can just use another rifle when you are running around mountaintops.  
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Your talking about a 2oz weight difference with a 50mm and 56mm objective.The 56mm scopes I have were indeed brighter than the 50mm scopes.You just have to remember you need extra high rings for the 56mm.I just bought 2 Weaver Classic Extremes on closeouts to see how they compare to my other scopes.
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The 56mm sounds great for low light conditions!! How's your rifle's cheek weld??
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It all comes down to the scope and the coatings for that line.  The coatings make for more differance than 6mm.
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I mentioned cheek weld because the scope will probably be sitting higher than say a 40mm - 50mm. For me, I find long distance consistency while hunting may suffer some if I don't get a good cheek rest so I might shy away from a 56mm scope.

Some on the other hand love the 56mm especially when hunting hogs in low light/night time conditions which I think is really cool!!
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Perhaps only a slight amount............................

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Nice cheek weld. Wink

Sweet rifle!!!
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Roy, that aint no damn Remington .....Wink

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Perhaps only a slight amount............................

 
 
Yea, I've seen that one before. That's a 72mm objective Zeiss! It's a little different than a 56mm. The donuts on the barrel are a hoot.
 
 
The cheek weld is something I really haven't considered and don't know about. I've got a stock on order from McMillan so I won't know until they deliver.
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The "donut" on the barrel is the Limbsaver Barrel Deresonator... works the similar to the Browning Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

I hope you don't think that train wreck is mine.................what a POS
 Why?
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I think it all depends on the intent for the rifle it's to be mounted on.  I'm not a fan of 56mm objectives (and in some cases, even 50mm) in general, but I do realize they have their use.  My personal objection to huge objectives isn't really about additional weight either.  For me, I just don't like my scope to be significantly wider than the rifle's forearm, when looking down from above or below.  This is partially an aesthetic consideration, partly a mount height and cheek weld consideration, as well as a scope & mount system rigidity consideration.  Having the objective bell wider than the rifle itself means that the bell dictates how well the rifle will fit inside a scabbard or case, and can cause undue wear on the objective bell finish.  Lean the rifle up against something and it tends to want to roll onto the objective bell, especially if a huge scope makes the rifle top heavy.

HOWEVER, I have a 56mm scope on a rifle with adjustable cheekpiece that I only shoot from a bench or bipod, and in that application, it isn't at all a hindrance.  If I planned to use the rifle for the purpose specified in this thread, I can see the value of gaining that little extra low light performance at higher magnifications a 56mm scope offers.  Whether or not 56mm really makes a difference vs. 50mm depends on the magnification setting you really use most of the time.  IMO, having a 56mm objective doesn't make a huge difference vs. 50mm to my eyes on a scope topping out at no more than 10X.  Beyond that, and the larger objective does start to make a difference to me.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

I hope you don't think that train wreck is mine.................what a POS

 Why?


Why, what? Why do I call it a train wreck or a POS. I honestly don't know what someone would use that rig for. Deer hunting? Long rang shooting? I can think of so many more practical and efficient applications for both.
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    Ahhhhhh, the mythical, magical, can't-shoot-well-without-it "......cheek weld". Love
 
     Too funny. Wink   -Al
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quality glass in 40-45mm will do 99.9% of the 56mm stuff in the dark and 100% of it in legal hours for deer
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Taz will play...

Al, are you saying, perchance, that perhaps the mystical "cheek weld" obsession is overstated and that perhaps one can shoot, and shoot well, without a scope mounted a dollar bill's width from the barrel????  
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The short answer to your question is NO it's not worth it!!!  Al, cheek weld is an issue for long range hunting shots like a bean field so it does have reliance.  but many other things matter as much or more.  Like actually knowing your rifle and the ammo's ballistic characteristics.  

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If its truly a beanfield / deer stand rifle that you aren't going to tote around then go for it. The 56's really shine when shooting in low light with the scope set at the higher magnification settings. I wouldn't worry about the extra height of the scope either. You see a lot of guns with 50mm scopes mounted on them with extra high rings that would probably work with a 56. It's personal preference. I have a 2.5-10X56 mounted on a Rem Sendero and its a critter gitter so long as you don't have to tote it very far from the truck to the stand.
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I'd say if you want to put in the time and you want a long-range tack driver, 56mm is good, especially if it will be a high-magnifications cope (>15X.)

It would be a special-purpose scope and rifle, which I think you mentioned it would be.

My advice, since you asked, would be to set it up as a benchrest gun, shooting into the field in the off season, learn the distances and the dope for the shots during the season.


Personally, I like big objectives on long-range guns.  So long as I ain't stalking with it or worrying about banging it on something or worrying about the weight, build a huge, hulking bohemoth that will hit coke cans at 600 yards, there is little more gratifying than a perfect long-range hit.


But maybe it's just me.


And for the record: I own no 72mm objective scopes.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Al, are you saying, perchance, that perhaps the mystical "cheek weld" obsession is overstated and that perhaps one can shoot, and shoot well, without a scope mounted a dollar bill's width from the barrel????  
 
    Yessir. Smile   -Al
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