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For short range (<300yds) hunting, is there any advantage to using a 30mm tube scope? Does the larger tube diameter give any better optical performance or is it really just for a larger elevation and windage adjustment range? Is it worth the price and weight penalty?
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taken as a single item no- but as a package yes. for some time the trend in new products has been to 30 mm tubes. so along with this are improvements in the over all product. top of the food chain scopes have the 30's to accomadate improvements in the erector resulting in wider ranges in the variable better fov. etc. the Z6 is a good example. whether the rest of the package is what your looking for --- is up to you.
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Optically - no. But, 30mm tubes are a bit stronger than their 1" counterparts. Personally, I like the look as well.
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P.S. I know what jagermeister means.( note my forum name). Did you derive this from a brand or model of scope? Just curious.Thunbs%20Up Also, how did you get your computer to print an "a" with umlauts? I email some of my German friends from time to time and could never figure this feature out.


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 Same old story .... some 1" tubes are superior depending on the scope ..... some 30mm 's are better .... don't be fooled any 30mm is better than a 1" .... untrue . It's like a new guy will come on here and ask what scope is the best ..... no answer ..... alot  of variables ... 30mm started out in europe . They have a few minor advantages sometimes on some scopes .... did I confuse the devil out of you yet ?
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30 mm for me. Looks good, why else?
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Got it. Thanks for the replies. It sounds like most of the top end scopes use the 30mm tubes. An advantage that I didn't know about was the larger FOV.  I also agree that the looks are improved over the 1" models.
 
HuntMaster - to answer your questions. Nope, actually I thought that it was kind of a cool name since I have a German hunting rifle or Jagdwaffen and it's the name of a German Liquor. No other reason than that. You can get the umlauts in  a couple different ways. One is to go to the start menu, programs, accessories, system tools, and use the character map program. You simply select the character you want and copy it. They you can past it wherever you want. Another way is to us MS word and hit ctl, shift, colon, then the letter a. I'm sure there are more ways to accomplish this but these are the only two I know of.
 
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.S. I know what jagermeister means.( note my forum name). Did you derive this from a brand or model of scope? Just curious.Thunbs%20Up Also, how did you get your computer to print an "a" with umlauts? I email some of my German friends from time to time and could never figure this feature out.
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they also allow more adjustment range in W/E, but that is mainly a bonus for longer range shooting.
 
they kahles CL and kahles C are 1" and 30mm respectively - but optically on par.
 
it really just depends on who makes it.
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Ditto for all of the above.  Over the years there has been a trend in larger tube size and larger objectives.  Personally, I think it has gotten out of hand.  Unless you are really going to do night shooting or really low light shooting, the larger objectives are not necessary.  Nothing looks better on a fine rifle than a scope with a 40 or 38 mm. objective mounted low as possible or to the proper height that fits the shooter with the particular stock for comfort and shooting accuracy.  I only mention this as 30 mm. tubes further elevate the scope height mounting.  To me, nothing is worse than craning your neck to get to the scope trying to make a shot.  Yes, I am guilty of falling into the same camp as everybody else and have bought my fair share of larger than needed objectives, but I am now moving back to smaller objectives with 1 inch tubes.
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I would venture a guess that the thought process of 30mm is better than a 1" has it's roots in the various Euro scopes such as the Zeiss,VM/V's, Swaro PH/PV, Kahles C/CS/CSX, Schmitt & Bender to name a few. With the advent of the Zeiss Conquests, Kahles AH/CL/KX, Swaro AV and even some of the top end lines of scopes coming out of Japan, tube size is no longer a factor in light transmission and more importantly resolution.
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The tube size itself doesn't really provide much of an advantage, but as Dale said, the premium manufacturers reserve their latest technologies for their 30mm models, so they may very well be "better" than the 1" models by the same manufacturers.  However, some of the 1" scopes from such brands as Kahles and Swarovski are just as good optically as their 30mm models at a considerable difference in price.  As with everything else, whether or not any given 30mm scope is worth the extra $ over a good 1" scope is a matter of opinion. 
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I am with 8 shots, 30mm just looks cooler. Break%20Dance
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