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I am getting some new glass and have narrowed the search down to a few scopes.  I am putting it on a browning A-bolt. Tell me what you think and what you would do!
I have decided on either a
IOR 4-14X50 Tactical Side Focus Illuminated MP8 Reticle
IOR 3-18X50 Illuminated Tactical Scope 
IOR 6-24X42  Illuminated Tactical Scope
OR I will go with either a
NightForce 3.5-15X50 NXS
NightForce 5.5-22X50 NXS
 
I am heavally leaning towards the IOR 4-14X50 or the 3.5-15X50.. I love the NightForce but just cant find out if its that much better than the IOR. Please you guys that know fill me in. The higher magnification scopes intrigue me but I just dont know if I need that much magnification on the rifle I have at this point. Thanks for any help.
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all those are pretty big scopes, more  so for 9-12 lb tactical rifles to be shot from (usually) prone or bench positions.  -- you sure you want a five inch high 2 lb (roughly) on a carry gun??

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This is a question for Dale, Koshkin and Rifledude.  These guys know their stuff about scopes in this stratosphere, especially Dale since he shoots competitively, Koshkin has handled about every high end scope there is and Rifledude owns and or has shot with most of these types of scopes and if am not incorrect, may have shot competitively.
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Greetings, Dusty!
 
I own both the IOR 4-14X50 30mm Tactical w/ lit MP8 reticle and the Nightforce 3.5-15X50 NXS w/ lit mil dot.  Both are fine scopes. 
I compared these two scopes in a review I did of the IOR a year ago in this thread:
 
To sum up my findings, I would say the optics of the IOR is a little better than the NF, but I prefer the mechanics (minus the rotating eyepiece) and aesthetics of the NF better than the IOR.  I don't care for the IOR adjustment knobs on this model all that much.  There have been improvements made to the knobs on some IOR scopes since I bought mine, and this may have been one of the models affected; I don't know.  I also don't like the fact that on the NF, the entire eyepiece rotates when you rotate the power ring, making it difficult to use flip open style scope covers.  I also don't like the fact that the NF only has one reticle illumination intensity without unscrewing the side focus knob to access the rheostat, though I like the integration of the illumination switch with the side focus knob, making for a cleaner design.
 
In my estimation, the IOR has better optics, field of view, eyepiece focus, power change ring, and illumination controls than the NF.  I also think the MP8 reticle is fantastic, and I like it better than most of the NF reticles for various reasons, but NF has better overall selection of reticles than anybody.
 
I like the NF adjustment knobs, side focus, appearance, and overall reticle selection better than IOR.  NF's customer service has a much better reputation as well.  I have the aforementioned 3.5-15X50 NXS as well as an 8-32X56 NXS, and they are fantastic, bulletproof scopes for varmint, target, and field tactical use.
 
It's a close call between IOR and NF, and my choice between the two would depend totally on intended use.  For a pure tactical rifle, I'd narrowly give IOR the nod just due to slightly better optics, better control over reticle illumination (if you get a lit reticle model), and the fact you can get a first focal plane reticle option on some models.  For a varmint and target rifle, I'd get the NF because of better variety of reticles and better side focus and W/E adjustments.
 
HOWEVER, if this is for a hunting rifle, the 3.5-10X50 NF would be o.k., but I personally wouldn't get ANY of the scopes you list.  They are all too heavy and bulky, and tall turrets and side focus isn't an asset on a hunting rifle.  Just more to get hung up on stuff, and the NF turrets aren't covered, so they can be inadvertently rotated, even though they have a nice vernier to reference your zero settings.
 
What use is the rifle intended for?
 
 
 
 
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if your thinking nf 2.5x10 here, thats a great hunting scope only 17 oz or about 10 oz lighter than the other nxs, and the turrets are about the same size as the m2 turrets on mk4 leos.
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

if your thinking nf 2.5x10 here, thats a great hunting scope only 17 oz or about 10 oz lighter than the other nxs, and the turrets are about the same size as the m2 turrets on mk4 leos.
 
I agree, the NF NXS 2.5-10X24 would make a decent hunting scope, except that for most big game hunting, it would be better with at least a 42mm objective.  The 24mm objective will limit its usefulness somewhat in low light past about 4X.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

I am going to ask a stupid question.  What does tagged mean?
 
It means that you checked the "email notify me of replies" option for the thread because the topic is of interest to you and you're therefore looking forward to the discussion.
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Rifledude's assessment is, I think, accurate.  I am a big fan of IOR scopes, but it it is going on to a reasonably lightweight rifle, I would look at something a little lighter for a scope than either IOR or Nightforce.

If you are set on one of these scopes, I would look at IOR's Hunting scope line-up.  Those are offered with thicker reticles which are, I think, a better choice for hunting.  I would take a good look at IOR 2.5-10x42 Hunting scope with #4 reticle and illuminated dot.  At 20oz, it is not as heavy as the other scopes you mention and is very good optically and mechanically.

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Thanks to everyone. I understand that what im truely looking for doesnt really exist. (At least I dont think it does) This rifle that I am trying to get built is going to be a rifle used for shooting pdogs and coyotes at long range. I have the standard leupold 3X9 on the rifle now and have made fairly consistant shots out to 600 yds with this gun. I would really like to try and get this gun to the range and start putting consistant rounds into a 6" disk at 1000 yds. I know that I am totally going against tradition with this setup. I am having a custom thumbhole pillar glass bedded stock built and have a 1# trigger on it now. I am trying to find a semi heavy barrel for it as well. I also have no unethical thoughts of hunting big game at long range. However this rifle may end up in the mtns as well hunting deer and elk if I dont draw my standard archery tags.
So with that said; the adjustability in the tactical scopes and the exceptional glass is the reason I am looking for either the IOR or NF. I know that they are huge for a hunting scope but I cant find a good scope with great glass and adjustable turrets except for these. Sorry for the longwinded post. And Thanks for every post.
Lastly If this doesnt work out I will be getting a model 700 and starting over to make an f class shooter.
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I was just doing a little research and found that the Leupold VXIII, and the Bushy 4200, are both within about 3-4oz of the IOR. I dont know.. I just dont wanna make a bad decision but I just know in my heart that this rifle can shoot with the proper optics on it.... Again thanks to everyone for their opinions.
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Dusty,
First of all, any rifle that's well suited to shooting pdogs and coyotes at long range won't be well suited to elk hunting.  Any suitable chambering for the former will be way too light for the latter, and vice-versa.  Secondly, consistently grouping shots within a 6" circle @ 1000 yards is world class accuracy that you're not likely to get with a factory rifle.  For that level of accuracy, you need to ditch the A-Bolt action.  You would be far better off building a rifle from the ground up using a custom action and match barrel put together to match grade standards.  With a Browning action, any ol' "semi heavy" barrel and most thumbhole style stocks, you are not only going against tradition, you are setting yourself up for disappointment and frustration.  Keep in mind the 1000 yard benchrest world record group is 4.2" at that distance.  If you want an F-Class rifle, you should look at entirely different equipment still.  You are trying to combine 3 different shooting disciplines into one rifle, and the result will out of necessity be a serious compromise that won't be well-suited to any of the above, since they all involve entirely different requirements and drastically different rifles.
 
For pdog and coyote shooting, either the IOR or NF would be an excellent, high end choice, but you truly don't need more than 15X for that use.  If you plan to use the rifle for high volume pdog shooting, you need something like .22-250 because even light recoiling big game chamberings become unbearable to shoot after hundreds, perhaps thousands of rounds during a single trip, which isn't uncommon.  With a .243, 6BR, 6mm Rem, 6-.284, .257 Ackley, you can bridge the gap between varmints and deer, using the same rifle for both, but any rifle suitable for pdogs won't be an ethical elk rifle.


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Rifle I greatly appreciate your info!!! I do have a remington 700 22.250 with a leupold vxII 3-9. The rifle I am working with is a 270wsm. I suppose that I will have to conceed defeat with this idea. It only makes sense to do whats been done before and use everyone elses misery as my R&D.
With all that said it looks to me like I am going to go with the IOR 4-14X50. It will be going on a remington sps tactical. That should get me through the Fclass and start me out to 1K I can then start looking for a ior 4-14x50 30mm Illuminated Hunting Scope 4a dot. I guess that I can then think about putting yet another IOR Tactical scope on my model 700 22-250. With these three rifles I should be set up just the way I would like to be set up. Of course all this depends on how I like the first IOR that I get.
Which will probably be the Hunting scope for the 270wsm. Since I love this rifle and love shooting it. While learning it I will be putting together my .308 sps. Thanks for the help everyone.
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