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 I was looking for a good low light scope of a compact rifle. I was looking at the IOR fixed 4x32mm and the bushnell 4200 1.5x6x36. Does anyone have any thoughts on these to scopes and maybe how the would compare at very low light.The are both right at $300 price wise.
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 I forgot to ask if anyone knows where the bushnell elites are being made(China, Japan,somewhere else)?
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Elite 3200/4200 scopes are made in Japan.

 

Overall, I think IOR scopes are better optically than the Elite 4200.  That being said, both are very good.  Personally, I'd go with a 4x IOR due to the simplicity of a fixed scopes and superior optics (in low light it will be better than ELite 4200).  However, if you expect to be hunting in wet/foggy environment a lot.  Elite 4200 with Rainguard coating is a better choice.

 

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the 4200 is going to be clearer than the IOR, and is your best bet for low light situations.

 

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 IOR is more rugged, with better optics than Bushnell 4200. But sadly (I love IOR scopes) ior not offer the best reticles for low light  (number 4, 1 or 8 ). You can buy some ior iluminated but they cost more of course.

Meopta and Docter are TOP QUALITY EUROPEAN SCOPES  with exellent low light performance at afordable prices. Good luck.   

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ots03,

 

IOR 4x32 scope is a hunting model that is available with 4a or 7a reticles that are decent for low-light.  It is no an illuminated reticle though.  It can be found at a fair bit less that $300 though.

 

IOR 4x24 tactical scope is available with a bunch of reticles including a CQB whoch is quite good for low light and MP9 which, IMO, is not bad either.  These are both illuminated as well.

 

I have no personal experience with Meopta or Docter at this point though.

 

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the ior WILL NOT be clearer than the 4200!!!!!

 

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>>>the ior WILL NOT be clearer than the 4200!!!!!

 

I disagree.  I've spent some time with various IOR models (6x42 more than anything, but a couple of variable models as well).  I think it will outperform any comparable Bushnell in low light.  Although I think both scopes are very good.

 

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 Well, look at IOR 4x32  it is very clear ( as any euro scope)and is afordable. SWFA don t sell fixed poxer meopta, but they are in the same price line than IOR ( or probably cheaper). In my country meopta 4x32, 6x42 are the best selling big game scopes ( with reticle 1 or 4 ). You can see Docter 3-9x40 ( 349 in swfa and 329 in another dealer ). Also the IOR 6x42 (tactical or hunting) is a good choice for low light.

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Unless I'm looking through both the questioned scopes, I would have no way of knowing. I do agree with the statement that IOR "overall" makes better scopes than Bushnell, but to say they are brighter than a 4200 [which from what I see turns night into day] is subject to a "scope-off" in my mind. I personally think there is no better scope in the Bushnell line than the 1.5x 6x36 4200
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I have not seen the 1.5-6x36 4200 scope, but I have looked at 2.5-10 models of IOR and Elite 4200 side by side (at 6x) and I thought IOR was brighter.  IOR 6x42 was a little brighter still though. I can't go wrong with either scope.

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think about the leo 1.5x5 vari 3..i put it on my ruger 338 and took it to alaska in 02. took a nice coastal brown bear at 20 yards in the mist of southeast ( chichagof island) alaska. that is where reliability counts........
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It  could be that a better grade glass or coating is used by IOR. It could also be that your eyes are still flexible enough to open all the way to 7mm. If thats the case, the IOR will always be brighter at 6x or above to you as it has an objective size advantage. If I looked through both scopes that you mentioned knowing my eyes only do about 5mm, then I would have to crank the IOR to  9 or more to begin to see a difference. Put both scopes at 4x. If the IOR has the advantage, then you 'll get a better handle on glass and coating quality between the two.
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 Well I sovled the problem for myself this week. I bought a IOR fixed 4x. When compared to my brother-in-laws bushnell 4200  2.5-10x40mm  which was placed on 4x when testing side by side at dusk we both gave a very slight edge to the IOR fixed 4x even though it had a smaller objective 32mm Vs 40mm. Both scopes rocked and kicked the butt of my leupold fix power 4x and 6x scopes which are now for sale on ebay at this time feel free to bid on them.I will be replaceing them with a few more IOR fixed 4x and fixed 6x and one of the 4200 2.5-10-40 on my long range deer rifle.On the 4200 vs the IOR fixed 4x I also thought the IOR had a touch better true color definition, my brother-in-law could not tell that himself. I have 20/20 vision he does not. I think I am right about that.Overall both are very good scopes I don't think you could go wrong buying just one or both of them. I really am not crazy about the shape and look of the IOR variable scopes but their fixed 4x and 6x scopes are very sleek looking and built very well. One reason I beleive I will go with the 4200 variable on my long range rifle is it looks better to my eye Vs the IOR variables and performance was great on the 4200 too. 
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I have an IOR  4x fixed, paid $100 for a new one at a gun show and it was the best $100 I spent(well, maybe in the top ten).

I do not have experience with Bushnell3200s, but I can say, next to my Burris 4x, and Leupold 4x, there is no comparison as far as "light gathering" ability-IOR wins hands down. I didnt time it, but I can stay out a lot longer with the IOR.

On other issues, I do not know, havent had it long enough. I do not know how their warranty service is, how "tough" the scopes are. Did take it out in the rain, des not seem to be any issues regarding fogging, etc.

The IOR 4x is an excellent scope.

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Originally posted by interzone interzone wrote:

On other issues, I do not know, havent had it long enough. I do not know how their warranty service is, how "tough" the scopes are. Did take it out in the rain, des not seem to be any issues regarding fogging, etc.

 

 

I think you'll find the IOR to be pretty tough. Both mine were.

CS is kinda hinky.

They fixed mine no problem, but others have had some issues. FWIW

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