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 I'm looking for a good fixed 4 power scope or something simple for rough hunting in brush and dark canopy.  Maybe even one of the Kahles 1.5 x 4 on the sample list.  As far as IOR,  It seems one either loves or hates IOR scopes, but others  here on the OT seem to rate them with the best in the world - and the  Conquest is going to have a world class company behind its construction. 
  Which 4x scope is better for low light, clarity, ******basically which is a better scope?


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I do not recall anyone ever saying that IORs are the best in the world.  They are very good though and offer a lot for the money.

I do not think you will see a whole lot of optical difference between 4x32 IOR and Conquest.  At low magnifications it is often difficult to figure out which is better for comparable scopes.  The differences typically stand out a little more when the magnification is higher.  When I last looked at these scope, I thought that the Conquest had a bit more flare when looking at the sunset than the IOR, but that could be the difference with that particular scope, since flare has been very well suppressed on other Conquests I have looked through.

A couple of other considerations:
Conquest has longer eye relief, but narrower field of view. 
Both weigh about the same, but IOR is noticeably shorter.
IOR has steel tube, while Conquest has aluminum tube.

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Have you happened to look at one (IOR 4x) with the post reticle?
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I've mostly played with the one with 4a reticle.

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I bought the IO when needing a fixed 4X.  It is on an abused gun that will see rough terrain, and the IOR is more durable.

I own Conquest too and like them; but for really rough work, I prefer the strength of the IOR.  Optically, they were both similar to my eye.
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Well,  I didnt  mean best in the world - I should have said something like good optics for the $, or better than most.  Would the Kahles Helia C's (1.1x4x24 or 1.5x6x42)  that are on the sample list out class the IOR 4x? 
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yes. the kahles C is world-class optics.
 
the 1.5-6x42 would be about perfect for you.
 
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if it's between the 4x scopes - i'd go conquest w/ a #4 - the glass is excellent in both, but the #4 reticle in the zeiss is better, IMO.
 
but you are hard pressed to beat a kahles C. especially at samplelist prices.
 
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I have the 4X Conquest, and absolutely love that little scope, though I have the Z-Plex reticle.  As Koshkin said, it does exhibit a bit of flare when looking toward sunlight, but for whatever reason, I've found this to be a characteristic of Zeiss in general, to include my 2.5-10X50 VM/V.  In all other respects, though, the Conquest is wonderful.  I haven't seen the 4X IOR to compare it to, but I personally shy away from steel tube scopes, because the painted finish on a steel scope seems much easier to scratch off than the anodizing on an aluminum tube scope.  Then, once the finish is scratched off, the steel can rust.  Not an issue if you're careful, but something worth considering.
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Or if you teflon finish the rifle and the scope - mine should be done within a week or so, I'll post pics.  it'll be my first paint job.

The Zeiss is optically a great scope, no question, but I wanted tough and the IOR is tougher with great optics.
A 1.5-4X isn't a bad thing, it makes everything a little more complicated but still workable.  I went with fixed for good optics, simplicity, and because it is mounted on a rifle that shoots a bullet that drops precipitously from the sky - I wanted a magnification that reminds me I have limited range.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


... but I wanted tough and the IOR is tougher with great optics.
 
Just out of curiosity, how did you determine it's tougher?  It may very well be; I don't doubt that possibility given IOR's huge presence in the tactical scope market, but unless you've repeatedly tested both series of scopes to failure to get a representative sampling, how would you ever know that?  I've heard reports of Conquest mechanical failures before, even among a couple people here on OT, but there are probably many times more Conquests in circulation than IORs.
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It's subjective, but I figure an aluminum tube will not be as strong as a steel tube of equal thickness.  Conquest doesn't feel flimsy, but my guess is that I could hammer nails with the IOR - and a few people, when I asked for thoughts on the IOR, had the same impression: very solid scope.
I thought I had reached a point here on the OT where my sweeping generalizations were accepted without dispute, yes?
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


I thought I had reached a point here on the OT where my sweeping generalizations were accepted without dispute, yes?
 
Sorry, brother... breach of protocol on my part.Wink
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Steel tube does not really have to be stronger than an aluminum tube.  Modern aircraft alloys used for scope tubes are very strong.  They are still a touch easier to dent than even mild steel, but as far as stiffness goes, they are very strong.

IOR has been making the little 4x32 scope for a long time although there were several glass improvements over the course of its production.  It is a tough scope.  I have recommended it to a few people for big recoiling guns and it has held up well for them.

Whether it is tougher than a Conquest, I have no way of telling, but that little IOR is as tough as any scope I have ever used.

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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I thought I had reached a point here on the OT where my sweeping generalizations were accepted without dispute, yes?
 
No%20No 
That's what I used to think about my blanket statements too.   
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I prefer undisputed sweeping generalizations.

And I find stereotypes to be real time-savers too.


I like the IOR, shot it today (figured I better make sure the scope/rifle combo was a good fit before I painted and found out  they sucked together.

I'll post pics later.
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Now I cant help but to throw a wrench into the system and ask about the Meopta line. If I'm not mistaken, they too get the glass from the same place. I know that they dont make a 4x fixed scope, but how does their product compare to simular scopes from IOR and Zeiss Conquest, considering that their in the same general price range?
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I have a Meopta Artemis 3000 3-9 and comparing that to my IOR 2.5-10x the IOR has slightly brighter and clearer glass to my eye.  But the IOR cost twice as much so I am not sure it is a fair comparison.  But I am betting the Meostar will probably have better glass than the Artemis.
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On another note, my Meopta did not hold up on my 45-70 for extended use, I had to send it back and they sent me a new scope.  It could have been a fluke but it won't be going back on that gun but on a lower recoiling gun.
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Since my new 4X is mounted on a light-weight 45/70, I went with strong initially, hoping that it wouldn't have to come off and go to Romania for service.
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Meopta makes good scopes with Meostar being their top of the line stuff.  IOR scopes are a bit better optically than Meopta, especially IOR's 35mm tube scopes.

If memory serves me right, Meopta actually makes the glass for Conquest scopes to Zeiss' specs.

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Thanks for the replies gents.
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It will cost you more, but Schmidt & Bender makes a nice 4x scope:
 
 
you may be able to find a kahles 4x scope
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I haven't shot the S&B, I haven't shot the Conquest, but I own the IOR and it is a great scope, but with confidence.
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