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What is it about indoor light that seems to equalize most scopes and make it so much harder to see the differences between them? After being clued into checking scopes outside from this forum I did that and could see differences that previously were very small.
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It is the florescent lighting and many low end mfg's tweak their coating recipes to look the best in this type of lighting and vice versa, scopes that have coatings for natural light and especially low light will not look as good inside the retail store.
 
Televisions are done the same way, in fact Best Buy has started a very successful side business where they come to your house and recalibrate your T.V. 
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They're just trying to accomodate the market for tactical teams that might need to take out a shooter inside a Best Buy who just found out he has to pay extra to get his $3000 TV to look as good at home. Smile
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not to hijack this thread anymore, but i didnt know that about tv's.
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Is the green color shift saturation of (3400 C) flourescent light versus the higher blue Kelvin scale (6,000-10,000 C) of natural light?  Oh ok, I've got it!  So, it is the green/blue color shift of flourescent versus the UV, blue natural saturation color of sunlight, especially at dusk. 
 
It is sometimes hard to believe the lengths that the marketing worms at the scope manufacturers will go to in order to slither their scopes out the door of the retail store by means of deceit.  Forget actual performance tuning to help the hunter/shooter under natural light conditions!
 
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Originally posted by Oldtrader3 Oldtrader3 wrote:

Is the green color shift saturation of (3400 C) flourescent light versus the higher blue Kelvin scale (6,000-10,000 C) of natural light?  Oh ok, I've got it!  So, it is the green/blue color shift of flourescent versus the UV, blue natural saturation color of sunlight, especially at dusk. 
 
It is sometimes hard to believe the lengths that the marketing worms at the scope manufacturers will go to in order to slither their scopes out the door of the retail store by means of deceit.  Forget actual performance tuning to help the hunter/shooter under natural light conditions!
 
Every day I understand better why I became and engineer and not a marketing person!
 
What does it say about the intelligence of the consumer?  More of us should know better.
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The scope companies put out so much brain bending, technical sounding, means nothing, blather about their products!  No wonder the average purchaser has no idea what they are buying.  How many people are aware of various visible light, Kelvin temperatures and their effect on optics?
 
The other attribute that they push on the consumer is "light Transmission", which says nothing about focal length control of various spectral length light rays.  The raw amount of light seen through the scope is unimportant if it's focal length at a given Nm length, light wave range is not corrected properly by the lens (control=contrast).
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This makes me realize just how dumb I am.
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I knew that about TVs but didn't know it about scopes.  Then again, I don't buy a scope based on its performance in a store.

We live in a marketing-driven society, it ain't "the best" because it is the best, it is the best because their marketing department convinced people it is the best. Bose and Leupold prove this: they both make a fine product, but far from the very best quality-wise and price-wise. 
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Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

It is the florescent lighting and many low end mfg's tweak their coating recipes to look the best in this type of lighting and vice versa, scopes that have coatings for natural light and especially low light will not look as good inside the retail store.
 
Chris, if we came down to the SWFA store, would it be possible to look through some riflescopes to see which one we liked the most? I ask knowing there could be some limiting factors based on lighting, size of the store, etc.
 
When I was at a big box retailer looking at binoculars, I could just barely tell the difference between the size of the lens (36mm vs 42mm), however I couldn't tell the difference between a Nikon Monarch and some zillon dollar Swaroskis. They pretty much had me looking across the store with them, which was a reasonable distance, but the light difference was hardly noticable with the same lens size. I'll also mention that a guy I know went to the same store and they took two riflescopes down to the shooting range, put a target downrange, turned off some of the lights and looked through the two scopes. I think that made him spend an extra $100-200 to bump up his scope quality. The store was apparently dead that day, which was the only reason the sales guy was willing to do that.
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Even though it is not the greatest comparison because of reflection and scattered light but make the salesman walk with you and the scopes that you are interested in to compare over to a window.  Then look out through the window at at some distant object.  A distant tree is good because it will give you a contrast reference between dark-in-shade and not in shade detail. 
 
If you can get they to let you go outside that is even better.  A big box will not do that but several smaller sporting goods stores that I prefer to shop at will work with you.  That is if this smaller store has what you want.  It may be worth the price difference to shop where you can compare under realistic conditions.  Pick an rainy, dark day for color saturation and haze.
 
The problem with smaller stores is that they may not have the selection.  Our local stores mostly carry Leupold, maybe Bushnell or Burris and cheap junk.  There is only one store within a hundred miles of my house where I can see Zeiss Conquest and Swarovski optics.  It is a 100% sure thing that I will never see a Meopta scope with 100 miles of Blight-by-the-Border, Washington.


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Originally posted by rudy99 rudy99 wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

It is the florescent lighting and many low end mfg's tweak their coating recipes to look the best in this type of lighting and vice versa, scopes that have coatings for natural light and especially low light will not look as good inside the retail store.
 
Chris, if we came down to the SWFA store, would it be possible to look through some riflescopes to see which one we liked the most? I ask knowing there could be some limiting factors based on lighting, size of the store, etc.
 
When I was at a big box retailer looking at binoculars, I could just barely tell the difference between the size of the lens (36mm vs 42mm), however I couldn't tell the difference between a Nikon Monarch and some zillon dollar Swaroskis. They pretty much had me looking across the store with them, which was a reasonable distance, but the light difference was hardly noticable with the same lens size. I'll also mention that a guy I know went to the same store and they took two riflescopes down to the shooting range, put a target downrange, turned off some of the lights and looked through the two scopes. I think that made him spend an extra $100-200 to bump up his scope quality. The store was apparently dead that day, which was the only reason the sales guy was willing to do that.
 
Yes you can come on by and take anything you want outside to play with it.
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I work at the front desk so if you come in you will have deal with me. Devil
 
Just kidding stop by anytime and I will be more than happy to show you things and explain anything you have questions about.


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Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

I work at the front desk so if you come in you will have deal with me. Devil
 
Just kidding stop by anytime and I will be more than happy to show you things and explain anything you have questions about.
 
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Lol Good one there Bud. I can hold my own when it comes to optics.
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