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    Posted: February/11/2017 at 12:46
I've looked through and shot through quite a few scopes over the past few years.....cheap and expensive.
However:
1). I haven't shot further than 300 yards
2). I only shoot during the day, but many times dark, gloomy, rainy days
3). I'm not referring to CQB-Heads-Up fast shooting Scopes in the 1-6 range
4). I'm talking about 3-18, 10 power, 4-16, 3-12, etc

I'm wondering that if I have great glass from a premium maker, what does ILLUMINATION do for me?
I found myself automatically turning it ON.....just because it's there I think.
Obviously one's eye is keyed to a Red Cross-Hair automatically.....but I find it doesn't help MY shooting.
Honest question and id love to hear your thoughts.
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For hunting in low light illumination is helpful. To me a German  #4 w/ a bit of a red dot in the center would be ideal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2017 at 00:53
Reticle illumination is not there to help you with seeing your target.  It is there to help you see your aiming point.  If you use thin reticles, then illumination is pretty important once the light gets low.  You will see the target well after you can no longer see the reticle if it is not illuminated.

If you never shoot in low light or into very deep shadows , reticle illumination does not give you much, if anything, given yo do not do CQB style drills either.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote m1911 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/12/2017 at 09:14
For CQB...(and I do some of that informally) I use the Vortex Razor 1-6x24.
Those are fantastic in all regards.

And like I said, I DO shoot on rainy, dim, days.....but never into deep, dark shadows.
I bought (Non-Illuminated) Mil-Dot-P3 Reticles on those 10-power S&B's....

I guess if I bought a S&B 3-12-PM-II P (no illumination) I'd stick with the Mil-Dot-P3.

If I get the same scope WITH illumination, maybe the P4L fein is the way to go....due to finer cross hair.

I just like to overthink things....that probably won't matter that much either way.
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Some of it is personal preference.  Some of it is task oriented.  I am always a bit concerned with battery leakage on battery powerd illuminated scopes which is why I really like the fiber optic + tritium in the Trijicon Accupoints.   I also tend to like the Aimpoint Comp M4s which runs an  AA battery that can actually be found without difficulty. I'm not real fond of the little button batteries but I have toys that use them. I had a Leupold FX3  fixed 6x with a heavy duplex and wish I still had it.  It was a wonderful choice for a lot of things, so no most of the time you don't need an illuminated optic, but most of the time you don't need a 20 X scope either.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/14/2017 at 05:16
I like illumination.  I've not purchased some scopes because they don't offer it.  I've also purchased some with illumination that I later wished did not have illumination because it was so poorly done.  Overall, it is better now in most brands.  The thing about illumination is kind of like a concealed carry... you don't always, or, for some, even often or ever need it, but if you DO need it and don't have it, it really sucks....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scrumbag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/22/2017 at 07:48
Originally posted by hatton mann hatton mann wrote:

For hunting in low light illumination is helpful. To me a German  #4 w/ a bit of a red dot in the center would be ideal.


That's my choice. 3-12x50 or 56 is pretty much the ultimate hunting scope
Was sure I had a point when I started this post...
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