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    Posted: July/26/2004 at 19:49
My conciousness has been raised and I am illuminated! I just finished reading Optics for the Hunter by John Barsness. I knew there was much I did not know. Now I know much of what I knew was poo, and what I know is new. Say that ten times fast. For my very light brush gun in 7mm 08 I’m now choosing between:

LPS 2.5-10x45 at 17. 5 oz. with 4” constant eye relief, better coatings etc. reticle Ger. 1 or 4. (I wouldn’t have to wait on this)

Leupold VX-III 2.5-8x36 at 11.3 oz. with a custom reticle German #1, #4 or heavy duplex

Bushnell 4200 1.5-6x36 at 15.4 oz. The firefly reticle sounds interesting

The Kahles leak stories scared me off and the price of the illuminated Zeiss VM/V gave me a nose bleed. Without illum. the Leupy's look as good so Zeiss is out.

The prices aren’t enough different to matter if I’m getting something for the difference. In your opinion the optics and etched reticle in the LPS worth 2-6 oz? [:o)]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/26/2004 at 23:37
Holzauge, not that I want to throw a wrench into your decision making process, but, one thing that you should be giving consideration to is how the weight of a scope will change the handling characteristics of your light weight rig. It's what skeet shooters refer to as the feeling between the hands of a gun with regards to how a gun swings. The Kimber is very light weight rifle and the more weight you add to the center mass of this rifle, the harder it WILL be hold steady ( treestand hunting ) and on those running shots, as Chris mentioned, the " whippier" it will balance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote holzauge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/27/2004 at 02:48
Is this a vote for the 11.5 oz. scope, or for the Weatherby with a 24" brl?

I rarely unsupported.
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the LPS doesnt have an etched reticle
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Correction, that shoot read - I rarely SHOOT unsupported.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris Farris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/27/2004 at 09:51

I would opt for the lightest one.  They are all excellent optically and mechanically.

 

Leupold 2.5-8x36

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SlingSwivel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/27/2004 at 22:50

I wish to be illuminated too! Does anyone out there actually own a LPS? I sure don't see much traffic on them . . .maybe I need to do a search

 

In light of that, one more vote for the Leupy 2.5x8 which has served me well on my .308.

 

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We don't sell many LPS scopes, I think that people who want a 30mm high dollar scope would rather it have a German or Austrian name on it.
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Chris,

I pretty much decided to go with the 2-8x36 VX-III because of it's low weight and low light performance but I'm really
curious about the LPS. In my internatial hunters BB I've noticed lots of folks seem down on the LPS scopes. I
know Leup. had problems with the 1.75-6 which they discontinued, but I've never heard any specific criticism of the
other models, just what sounded like predudice to me. What's the real scoop?
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Leupold's Premier Scope (LPS) features Diamond Coat lens system, 30mm tube, European fast focus eye piece, side focus, resettable windage and elevation dial ala Swarovski PH, rubber eye guard on eye piece, satin finish, 4x erector (3.5-14 instead of 3.5-10), rubber accent on power selector, rear facing numbers on the power selector, extended tube length for long actions, 99.65% light transmission per lens surface, and a constant eye relief. 

Who could ask for anything more?  These scopes seem perfect in every aspect.  I think three factors are to blame for its low sales record.

1.  Price.

The price is too close to the European scopes, which they had to do in order to be taken serious and to not compete against themselves with the VX-III line.  Problem is that people in the $1000.00 price range would rather go with a well known and proven brand instead of taken a chance.  Some people also want others to know that they spent $1000.00 on a scope and a European scope is a much more recognizable status symbol.

2.  Lack of advertising and promotion.

Leupold has not spent enough time and effort into promoting LPS.  These scopes have some great selling points like the constant eye relief, 4x erector, fast focus, etc.  I think people would be interested in them if they knew more about them.

3.  Not enough variations.

People like to have choices.  If the line was expanded to have a 1-4, 3-12, 4-16, 5-20 etc. available with or with out target knobs, all the Leupold reticles and a few illuminated versions I think it would help.  The two models they offer cover most applications but people like to have choices.

Knock off about $300., run some ads, make new models and more variations then they would sell.

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