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I am debating on what scope to put on myThompson Center Encore in 7mm. Ihave a buddy who has a scope with a llluminated reticle. He swears that this the way to go I have looked at several different scopes with illuminated reticles and I do like them at first glance. I am going to be mostly deer hunting with this gun. I would really appreciate any feedback on what might be the perfect scope for this rifle. Wheather illuminated or not.  

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I have not felt a need for an illuminated reticle.  Any time it's been too dark to see a reticle, it was too dark to see what I was hunting.  It's not a sexy choice, but I would get the best 3-9X40 I could afford.
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I agree with your friend.... Smart Bucks are nocturnal and Illuminated is great.

The Model 6607 Nikon is worth looking at.




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Originally posted by mwyates mwyates wrote:

I have not felt a need for an illuminated reticle.  Any time it's been too dark to see a reticle, it was too dark to see what I was hunting.  It's not a sexy choice, but I would get the best 3-9X40 I could afford.

 

Good advice!

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IOR 3-18X42mm, 35mm tube with illum MP8 reticle. WOW
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Old bucks here in East Texas are nocturnal, but we can't hunt them at night legally.  We can hunt hogs at night, though.  Even then, in 45 years of hunting, I don't think I've ever been in a situation where an illuminated reticle would have made any difference.  If you like the way it looks, then get it.  I don't think it will let you make shots at game any later (ethical shots, that is).
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Tactical light will help more than anything !

Just kidding
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Originally posted by catusbill catusbill wrote:

Tactical light will help more than anything !

Just kidding

Or maybe night vision

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I rigged up a way to mount my Surefire M3 on my Freedom Arms 45 Colt and my Kimber 260.  I only use this on my own property hunting hogs at night, but it works great
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Thanks for the info guys. I am thinking about going with either a Kales 2.5-10x50 or a S&B 3-12X50. From what I have read on the optiks talk message boards I don't think I could go wrong with either scope.  If there are any other scopes that you guys could recommend I would appreciate the feedback. I have several leopolds and a couple nikons but I was thinking about putting a top of the line scope on my Encore.

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The Bushnell Elite 4200 2,5-10x50 with Fire Fly reticle is worth looking at. I use it with succes even by night for fox and wilde boar hunting.
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 I just got my first illuminated scope ( IOR 3-18x42). I agreed that using it for hunting past legal light is not a good idea. But the illumination does come in handy for practice. When you get home from work with fading light you can still get in some practice time. I shoot hundreds of rounds of practice a  month and only a few rounds a year when hunting. So I bought the illuminated scope to extend my practice time.
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Dude, you didn't tell us you where a rich man.... I thinking about selling a few herefords and get me IOR 3-18X42mm just to look at. Give us a report and maybe some pictures.
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 Ir scopes are great ...they don't let you hunt in the dark !! Somtimes dark grey rectiles are lost in shady areas or early morning  that ir rectile is very fast on laying that kill spot on !  I'd say within a year or 2 tops all scopes will have them . Stay away from the ones that whole rectile on the mil rectiles are lit .... try for a dot lit only one . You'll love it .
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German 1A reticle is GREAT for night hunting-you can always see the crosshairs,and for driven game also. But I see that it is not very popular in the states-why??I know it is not for long range shooting but it is perfect for hunting in moderate ranges.
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Well Bender,

         The first reason it is not popular is because it is foreign!!!  I should give you all the reasons from 1A onward    (  ), lol ; but like so many people who do hunt and are traditionally influenced by what their shooting buddies do and say; whether good or bad, they are not going to try something that nobody else is using. 

        1B.) We here in America, are particularly gadget freakish... For example,  we go for the illuminated reticles and the side PA adjustments, simply because we think that they will be a good idea.  It is not until we get the dang thing out of the box and on our rifles, that we discover that we never really needed to see all that far with an illuminated Christmas tree in the reticle, to shoot at a range that nobody ethically has a real need to shoot at, if we are not out in the middle of Timbucktwo, Wyoming with Mount Rushmore as a back stop.  (Sarcasm intended here!!!)  Drippingly so!

        2)  We here in America buy into whatever Hollywood sells or will sell.  Nobody ever really wanted a knife with a saw blade on the back of it, until we saw First Blood and were introduced to John Rambo !!  Now China has picked up on this fettish, and some guy named Bubba will sell you a whole lot of those knives, ( 30 I think), on the Home Shopping Network.  He even has a lovely Southern accent to tell you, and any who will listen, why you need thirty such knives, as part of the greater set of 180(estimating)

        3)   We do not really watch movies with subtitles, unless our wives or our girlfriends drag us to them. The more we try to quench our "red necked heritage", the more it takes hold and drives it's roots deep into us. Not really a bad thing...

        4)   Some of us who shoot those Illuminated Christmas trees are down right lazy.  It takes real skill to sneak up closer on wildlife, and we would rather pick a reticle, squeeze the trigger and hope for the best.  Actually expending ammo at a properly measured range is too much work for some of us.

           These are some of the reasons why.  I am sure that there are other reasons why.  I think it would be a good idea, but I don't think, I'll be buying one anytime soon. 

           What do you hunt in Croatia?  How big are they?  What is the terrain like?  And at what ranges do you consider to be the max for you and your gun ?  By the way, what caliber do you shoot?

              Ciao,

                Scott

                     

           

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Now I get it! We are traditionalists around here.I would never put a scope with paralax adjustment, side focus, mil dot reticle...on my hunting rifle. We stick to 1,5-6x42, 3-12x56, 6x42 (Swaro or Zeiss if possible-not because we have loads of money but because 99,9% of the scopes sold here are cheap chinese crap that doesen't hold zero-no middle class optics)with 4A or 1a reticles.

Lighted reticles are very trendy around here also-but I just don't see what the fuss is about-it won't let you see in the dark as some people think. Hunting at night is done at close ranges 25-60 meters-more when it is a full moon,and 300lb boar at 50 meters is pretty visible ,lighted or non lighted reticle.Sure it is nice to have that little dot,but I'm not willing to pay almost three times more for the scope than I payed for the rifle.There are cheap scopes with lighted reticle also-but they are simply not worth mentioning.

 

Well, Croatia is a small country but Its terrain is diverse, containing:

 

so the hunt is very good around here. We have beautiful coast with thousands of islands where you can hunt (I don't know the  names of all the game animals in english,but you will get the picture) wild mediterranean sheep,coyote,many birds,rabbits,...To the north-there is big mountain massive where you can hunt brown berar ,wild pigs,deer,roe deer. And in the continent the hunt is also great - lots of wild pigs,roe deer,deer,...

I mostly hunt wild pigs with dogs and from the stand.I've changed many guns(8x57, 9,3x62, 9,3x74R, 7mmRem mag.)and currently shoot .30-06(Mark X with Swaro 1,5-6x42 and brand new Remington 7400).Most of my hunting is done at close ranges, I would say no more than 200meters (this boar was taken at 2-3meters).But maximum range is tricky question-sometimes 50 meters is too far,and sometimes 250 meters seems easy.I think you'll know what I'm talking about.But I would never shoot big animal at long range if I am not certain that the shot would kill it-boars are very,very tough.

 

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Thanks Bender,

          NIce picture, by the way!   Here in the states we are primarily whitetail hunters.  Sure there are those that hunt elk, and in some places there are those that hunt moose mainly. But, all in all, they are ungulates, which are docile, gentle and flighty. We do not have any indigenous species of really nasty feral hogs, unless you are fortunate to hunt Arkansas Razorbacks, which can be found from Arkansas to Texas in the wild, and other areas where they raise them and let them roam around on a game farm, where you pay BIG $$$$   To go and kill them.  Sort of like shooting fish in a barrel, no thanks, not for me at this time.

            One other thing we as Americans, enjoy is saving money or trying to get something for nothing or nearly so.  That is why guys spend oodles of money on cheap scopes.   I am partial to Burris and Leupold, because they are our indigenous Made in the USA scopes, and they both come with a Lifetime warranty.    I have gone that route of trying to buy low and save money so that I can just squeeze that trigger, but I have gotten poor results for having done such a thing.

             You will have those here that will say that they enjoy the Tasco Super Sniper, I do not.  I have seen one up close and personal and watched a guy that spent $400.00 on a custom barrel, and meticulously handloaded his ammo for it in 6.5mm-284 one bullet at a time, who told me that his $300.00 scope was every bit as good as a Leupold or Burris that cost 100's of $ more.  Then while he was zeroing it, I saw him drop two shots 5 inches, from point of aim after he just cloverleafed 3 sub MOA at 100 yards.  I do not buy into the fact that a Super Sniper is every bit as good as something else, that is better made and costs more money.

             The only price barrier to me owning a Swarovski, or Zeiss, is that most of them are made overseas, and I am content to own American made now.

                       Scott 

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Bender,

       You may wish to check out the line of EuroDiamond scopes offered by Burris.  They do feature a number of things that meet your criteria with regards to the 1A reticle and no side or front mounted PA.  They also are available in illuminated dot reticles and are reasonably priced.  Each one is available in 30mm ring options and have a low objective bell size so that you could mount them close to the axis of the bore.

          I have not owned one of these, but I do own a Burris Black Diamond with BMD and have been a subscriber to their catalogue for quite some time.  I know that their lenses are the same as those used in my Black Diamond, and Signature series scopes, which are quite excellent by the way as far as light transmission is concerned. They do have a Forever Warranty on them, and you could view their online catalogue at www.burrisoptics.com

          Hope that this might give you a few more options.  Even if it is something that you just wish to gander at for a while.  SWFA also sells their full line of scopes in the Eurodiamond variety, and some of them are even 1.5- 6X 32mm objectives, I believe, though I am not sure.    Wow, this was very continental of me to suggest!!!  Am I going global and giving up my red necked heritage? 

          Nope, not really.  Just expanding outwards to another land, and reaching across the big pond with an outstretched hand in friendship. 

          But don't tell Bubba that there is intelligently inhabited land beyond the Atlantic, the shock may be too much for him to contain himself, since he has already forgotten that the only real native Americans were Indians; like Crow, Apache and Sioux.  The white European immigrating man has done his dangdest,(< yes in some parts of America, mostly South of the Mason DIxon Line; this is a real word! ) to alleviate the U.S. of this problem.  Now we just give them Casino licenses and no taxation of cigarettes, whiskey, or gasoline, instead of ever admitting that we were wrong in our treatment of them.  Then we isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and only get involved when there is a war on somewhere, and we feel that we cannot just sit back on our hands any longer.

           So you can see we are sort of screwed up in some of our thinking and logic!!    Like any of this matters to anyone.  Well, I guess it may matter to a few million Iraqis, and perhaps some of the Iranians as well.  Our only hope is if we turn back to GOD, in the real sort of way that we knew Him in our earlier history.  Personally, and subserviently, not fanatically and realize that our anger does not serve the purposes of GOD.

  Which in effect is the only real way to approach matters of sovereignty of a nation, or the dominion of one people by another.  With respect to the fact that GOD made us all, and that not one person is superior to another, in any respect.

              But this sort of realization is not as funny, nor does it write really well to a forum.  But it is my home, and I need to make it as welcome for someone else as I can do so.  This is still a pretty great place to live, though, yes we still have our problems, and need to correct them.  I am still thankful to Him for making my birthplace here.

                  Scott

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Psst, hey guys!!

 

Anybody need a knife with a saw on the back of it?  I'll make you a good deal.  LOL

 

 

          Actually this last post is just   

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Wow man, you are realy good with words,but don't be too hard on yourself - we also have our Bubbas that have prejudices about people across the pond, and they forget exactly same thing you mentioned-that native Americans are Indians...

There are many stupid people around the world-no matter what nationality,colour,religion they are - stupidity is universal.

 

As for the optics-Burris Euro Diamond 1,1-4x24 would look nice on my 7400-but it would be,how did you put it, too global for me -I'll probably get Leupold(small steps-I don't want my hunting buddies laughing at me-they are die hard Swarophiles,and I think old mr.Leupold was German so they could swallow it).Anyways I don't want to pay for the scope twice as much I payed for the 7400(and just to mention it Rem.7400 synthetic costs about 1000$ around here)- I've done that too many times. Hell,I'll even use Leupold QRW mounts-to make this blasphemy complete - they will be shocked when they see me carrying a rifle with synthetic stock,scope that isn't Swaro,Zeiss or Kahles and mounts that are not 500$ E.A.W. They'll be even more shocked if this setup proves to be succesfull-I have no doubtWink.

 

P.S.  I see Leupold scopes (1,1-4X20) have significally smaller F.O.Wthan equal euopean scopes.-and that seems to be only drawback for me.

 

 

I must admit that I have one of those "Rambo knives" in the basement also-it has everything-little compass,fishing hooks,matches,...-every kid in the neighbourhood got it back in those days,I remember being very dissapointed and almost cried when my father gave me very nice hunting knife (it is still in use)for my birthday instead of that P.O.S .

 

Cheers,and have one on me, friend 

 

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Originally posted by chasseur106 chasseur106 wrote:

You will have those here that will say that they enjoy the Tasco Super Sniper, I do not.  I have seen one up close and personal and watched a guy that spent $400.00 on a custom barrel, and meticulously handloaded his ammo for it in 6.5mm-284 one bullet at a time, who told me that his $300.00 scope was every bit as good as a Leupold or Burris that cost 100's of $ more.  Then while he was zeroing it, I saw him drop two shots 5 inches, from point of aim after he just cloverleafed 3 sub MOA at 100 yards.  I do not buy into the fact that a Super Sniper is every bit as good as something else, that is better made and costs more money.

 

So, your saying the scope failed or the shooter?

Looks like your saying the SS failed.

 

I just shot a .247 center to center 3 shot group with my SS 10x.

It's mounted PROPERLY in Badger rings and a Badger rail

 

Theres too many people, LE/military that shoot the SS regularly to say that it doesn't do the job, Scott.

If you don't like the scope based on optical clarity or some other venue then that's cool.

 

I'm NOT saying that my SS is as good as the S&B and USO that I have owned, but for the money it's a very good scope. It's a proven scope as well. 

Many Army and Marine DM's (Designated Marksmen) are using them in The Box to whack hadji's on a daily basis.

How do you explain that??

 

I'm not trying to be argumentative here Scott, but sounds like something else came into play with your friend.

It may very well be it has a mechanical issue and needs to be looked at by SWFA.

 

Respectfully submitted,

cheaptrick.

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Hey Cheaptrick,

         If you like the scope so much you should shoot it.  I was only commenting and did not give all of the details of the encounter to anyone here. 

         Essentially he made several adjustments to the elevation turret to recover those dropped shots.  There must have been something knocked loose while he shot the first cloverleaf.  Or ???  I do not know that I can say anything other than that.  I have only seen it in use this one time.  From a 6.5mm-284 which is an inherently accurate cartridge, as well as efficient, so I feel that it was a mistake to have bought a scope thinking that you were getting quality as good or better than a Leupold/Burris.  Secondly, once you get used to a level of performance from one of these manufacturers, all others seem to be trying to knock them off of the top of the heap.

              Leupold and Burris, which by the way are still the standards by which others compare the quality of things around here.  Other than the Swaro/ Zeiss crowds which can jump the price a bit into another bracket, and open another can of worms that I do not wish to bait anyone further into another discussion, or feeding frenzy!!

             He bought three of them, and I doubt that he bought them from SWFA, so I don't think that Chris is going to get involved.   I guess the main point of why I shared all of this in the first place is that when you spend something north of the neighborhood of $1100.00 for a rifle, carefully handloading the ammo, and then bench resting it to get the best group you could possibly get, why would you compromise on the quality of the optics that are on top of what you most desire to shoot well for a long time???  I always go with a proven performer, first.  So from what I have seen beyond the showroom, and the bench rest at the local range, Super Sniper has not been around long enough for my liking.  But this is just my opinion.

              I would by Leupold, Burris, Zeiss, IOR, even Swarovski, then Nikon if I were hardpressed to get something that I had to use day in and day out in situations that required this level of performance.  You could not give me a Super Sniper, unless I had a chance to play with one, in a non combat environment, and see just how well it worked for myself.

                       If the Designated marksmen are using them, great, I pray that they hold up and last through all of the engagements that they come across and get into.  However,  I would pay a friend or family member to send me a Leupold or Burris anyday, rather than get stuck with these if they are standard equipment.  This is just my personal opinion, if I were banking my life on a piece of equipment, to save my life or those of my battery, were I still in the military.

 

 

     I just hope that we are all aware of how much the Chinese are not really our friends and we will stop spending so much of our money in feeding the Giant Communist machine that gets a piece of every dollar we spend at WalMart, the big panda bear still does not grant civil rights to it's people, and Tienamen Square was not a fairy tale.

          Chasseur

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