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are illuminated reticles illegal in your state or province?
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Um, yes.  Their use during hunting hours (which is specified) is not a problem.  Their use after hunting hours is a problem, but the illumination itself ain't the problem.

Why do you ask?
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thanks for the reply.  i ask because i hear they are not legal in some states to hunt with.  i am not worried about after hours only if they are legal at all.  l don't want to go on a hunt and have trouble i would rather buy a regular scope if an illuminated will cause trouble.
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I have never heard that.  If they are just take the battery out.
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Your profile doesn't say where you are from, but if it is a concern, call your state's wildlife department and ask.  Also, if you have a hunting handbook with seasons, dates, and laws, that information will be in that handbook.

In Texas, I had to call and ask if there are laws prohibiting hunting with suppressors.  The person with whom I spoke said it is not prohibited by law - else it would be in the handbook.

Call to verify, or check local laws, but I have never heard of any reticle being illegal to hunt - illuminated or otherwise.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Your profile doesn't say where you are from, but if it is a concern, call your state's wildlife department and ask.  Also, if you have a hunting handbook with seasons, dates, and laws, that information will be in that handbook.

In Texas, I had to call and ask if there are laws prohibiting hunting with suppressors.  The person with whom I spoke said it is not prohibited by law - else it would be in the handbook.

Call to verify, or check local laws, but I have never heard of any reticle being illegal to hunt - illuminated or otherwise.


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Many states restrict the use of light enhancing devises. ie (Night vision.) Here in Oklahoma this was the first year to use scopes during primitive arms season. Also Silencers are not allowed for game animals or non game birds.



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I have called my state and they are ok.  I am wondering about other people's states that they know about.
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Illuminated reticle scopes are legal in Texas where I live.  We have the 1/2 hour before/ 1/2 hour after rule for game species, but that has no bearing on the type of reticle you can use.  For non-game species, you can hunt all night long if you choose to.  I sometimes turn on reticle illumination even during legal hunting hours when I'm in dark woods on overcast days or toward the beginning and end of legal shooting hours.  I also use illuminated reticles for feral hog and varmint hunting at night.
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RifleDude do you find the illumination reticle something that would be well worth the money?  sounds like you use it quite a bit.  thanks
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Here in Alabama, illuminated reticles are legal. However, any device which projects a beam forward of the firearm ( read as laser device ) is illegal to hunt with.
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Originally posted by HuntMaster HuntMaster wrote:

Here in Alabama, illuminated reticles are legal. However, any device which projects a beam forward of the firearm ( read as laser device ) is illegal to hunt with.
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Same here in MD
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here is what the handbook states for Nebraska:
 

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It is unlawful while hunting antelope, deer, elk, bighorn sheep or turkey, to have attached to a firearm or bow any device capable of utilizing electricity to amplify natural ambient light or to project a light beam or image to a target. This restriction allows "red dot" and illuminated reticle sights and scopes, but prohibits "night vision" scopes (both light amplification types and projected light types such as infrared) and all other sights that project light including laser lights.

It is unlawful to use any electronic device to amplify natural light or to project a light beam or image to a target, including "night vision" or infrared scopes and laser sights. "Red dot" and illuminated reticle sights and scopes are permitted. Magnifying and variable-power scopes are allowed on muzzleloaders.

BTW - looks like they may have changed the law regarding optics on muzzleloaders, before we could only use 1x! 
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thanks for all the replies, very informative.  i suppose i should say that i live in Oklahoma and i called the wildlife dept. and they say ok for red dot type but as with others no lasers or night vision.  keep it coming thanks
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Good illumination systems are great; bad illumination systems suck. Hard.

I recommend you take the opportunity to look at any possible buy in low light (ask if you can take it to the bathroom and turn off the light.)  The big problem with bad illumination systems is excess light or light scatter in the optic.  Neither will be obvious in ambient light, either will become painfully obvious when the lights go down.
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agreed
for hunting, a small barely lit reticle is all you need
tactical "daylight bright" reticles are too much
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Originally posted by katesdad katesdad wrote:

RifleDude do you find the illumination reticle something that would be well worth the money?  sounds like you use it quite a bit.  thanks
 
As RC mentioned, a well-designed lit reticle -- absolutely!  A poorly designed lit reticle that produces too much stray light inside the scope and won't adjust to the proper level for the light conditions (causing temporary loss of night vision because your pupil constricts) is worthless!  The lit reticle scopes I use happen to be among the really good ones.  The primary 3 I hunt with are Schmidt & Bender Zenith 1.5-6X42 Flash Dot, Zeiss Diavari 2.5-10X50 w/ lit # 8, and Kahles CB 2.5-10X50 w/ lit 4NK.  All 3 have a broad illumination intensity range, and all 3 are absolutely superb in low light!  Unfortunately, most of the really good lit reticle scopes are rather expensive.  One scope series worth considering that isn't too expensive (relatively speaking) that has a well designed, innovative illumination system is the Trijicon Accupoint. 


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Allow me to weigh in here. Any illuminated reticle is a good idea when certain hunting situations present themselves. There are  many that the illumination will be too bright and cause problems. This can be addressed by using a different battery. For instance, a 2032 battery can be substituted with a 2016 basically cutting the ma/h in half and reducing the brightness considerably. Yes the thickness of the 2016 is less, but the diameter is the same, and the contacts are easily made to work.
The most important thing though is having decent to fantastic glass and coatings. Choosing a good reticle for the application, and using the best power setting for the Objective size.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Allow me to weigh in here. Any illuminated reticle is a good idea when certain hunting situations present themselves. There are  many that the illumination will be too bright and cause problems. 
 
would you elaborate here please.  the reason i asked this question is that it is time for a new hunting rifle and scope.  i can get a swarovski z6 and just wonder if i should get illuminated or not, don't want to regret not getting it if it is worth it.  don't want to waste the money but.... that is why i want to hear of you guys experiences with them.  i have seen them and all of that just want some real life experiences..  thanks
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If you can afford the Z6 illuminated, I highly doubt you will regret the purchase.  If the illuminated Z6 barely busts the budget and you want illumination, several options exist that might give you what you want and need for a better price.  If you have the cash, get the illuminated Z6 - it is the way to go.

If it is too much $$< Kahles will be very close and less expensive.
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In certain situations there can be a near black out of ambient light even during legal hunting hours. This can make finding the reticle very difficult for a quick shot. It can make it difficult even for a shot that you have time to search as well. This is where the illuminated reticle is advantageous.
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I was out night hunting last week for hogs, feeder about 70 yards out, using a Texas Boars red LED setup, animals can't see the red light and it's just enough light to be able to see the game..  you really don't need an ill ret for it and you don't if spotlighting (when legal) but it helps if they are moving  to be able to get on em quick

I shot two coons when it was time as we were instructed to do so by the land owner and I turned the ill off of my IOR as it's just too bright even at min setting

on another ill ret scope I had, a Bushnell 1.25-4, I was able to put in a 1.5v (vs 3) battery and cut down on the brightness of the ill dot

the IOR has a tactical reticle and there is just too much stuff lit up

Cyborg, thanks for the tip on the battery, as I have tried a 1.5v battery but even when making sure the battery is making proper contact it doesn't activate the circuitry
I will definitely have to the one you recommended

yeah, the z6 has the ill ret down with it's advanced digital circuitry

I have an ACOG and with no light, the tritium reticle lit ip is perfect if you are out in the dark.  it's so dim you can't see it at all unless you where there's no artifical light whatsoever

the Accupoints use the same technology of Fiber optic for daylight ill and tritium for night
I just wish they made like a 1.5-6x42
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I just checked specs, you are right, Standard Discharge Current: 0.1 mA for the 2016 vs .2mA for the 2032

thanks man!
will definitely try one and report back
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Originally posted by katesdad katesdad wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

Allow me to weigh in here. Any illuminated reticle is a good idea when certain hunting situations present themselves. There are  many that the illumination will be too bright and cause problems. 
 
would you elaborate here please.  the reason i asked this question is that it is time for a new hunting rifle and scope.  i can get a swarovski z6 and just wonder if i should get illuminated or not, don't want to regret not getting it if it is worth it.  don't want to waste the money but.... that is why i want to hear of you guys experiences with them.  i have seen them and all of that just want some real life experiences..  thanks
 
This will NOT be a problem with the Z6i.  It has an extremely broad illumination intensity adjustment range, all the way from just barely visible (for use in near darkness) to very bright (for use in broad daylight).  The Z6i illumination controls are one of the best, if not the best available, largely because not only does it have an infinitely adjustable intensity range, you can set 2 different intensities in memory, one for day, and one for low light, and it has a toggle selector switch to easily select between the two.  If you can afford the Z6i to begin with, I have a hard time believing you would end up regretting your purchase.
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