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shotgun would be my 'street sweeper' for home defense - remington 1100, 5 buckshot locked and loaded.

 

rifle would be a sako TRG-S 30.06 w/ a fixed power 4x scope. failsafe as the ammo allows. and deadly accurate out to 300+ yards.

 

pistol would be a 6inch barrell S&W 357 magnum w/ starfire hollowpoints - nickel w/ wooden grips.

 

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i your case being a woman, no offense i hope, you arent going to want to deal with something like a 12 gauge in a pinch, you dont want the recoil some thing small like a .357 sig in a smaller frame like a springfield xd pistol would be niceand light on the recoil and you could keep shooting and not notice much recoil imo!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stephanie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/23/2007 at 13:16

No offense taken!  Like I said ealier. A women would handle it in a different way..

 

How about a .380?

 

 Would this be a good choice?



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the .357 sig is a hot little round the .380 will work well too, i just like the .357 sig great performance small case. the .380 has got to be one the most popular with the ladies.
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This is opinion only 'cause I hope never to have to make it a regular practice.  My thoughts on priorities are:

1. prevent the fight if possible

2. if above doesn't work, stop the fight NOW

 

Big psychological edge to pointing any weapon at someone but more so from all I have ever read if it's the hole in the end of a shotgun (assuming not in total darkeness).  Would probably give a goblin time to rethink not a good thing to pursue their actions.

 

If you have to pull thge trigger a 380 head shot ok, but would think iffy if a body shot & give more time to return fire.  Buckshot in the body would probably stop the argument.

 

Just my opinion.

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SILVER, you can question me all you want sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  When it comes to my family the law wouldnt be there quick enough!!!!!!!!  As you can see , there are others who think as I do..You made your point SIR..  But what I do inside of my home in reguard to my families safety is not your concern!!  You ,"SIR" are narrow minded, you should make suggestions on this forum, not CRAM your ideals down the forums "muzzle" !!Now I do realize I may get some "slapping" from the manner in wich I address you "sir",  but I will take that risk!!!  You "sir" are beating a dead horse...

 

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Originally posted by Stephanie Stephanie wrote:

No offense taken!  Like I said ealier. A women would handle it in a different way..

 

How about a .380?

 

 Would this be a good choice?

 

Some .380's are better than others.  A lot of it has to do with how it fits your hand.  The thing is most .380 are straight blow back.  This means you get a little more recoil.  It also means that the barrel will not unlock if you have to make contact. Like sticking a gun into a gut.

 

If you have longer fingers then a Sig 230/232 would make a great choice.  A Little shorter finger, then the Walther makes a good choice. I'm a bit POed at the quality of the Walthers I've handled recently, there are lots of sharp edges. 

 

The next players in this field are the Beretta's and their Browning half brother. High marks for fit and finish!  Good trigger.  Too many safety features. They are a bit bulky and about the same size a Colt Officers model.  Nickel is avaible, but stainless is not.  The shrinking dollar is pushing their prices up.  I have a 85 Cheetah that I have just bought.  The double stack versions I'd think about a getting a tuned Hi-Power.

 

CZ is the final player as Colts are out of production and the prices are up on even the crapy ones here.  CZ is a double stack gun and very close to the Browning .380.  Yes, there is the Bersa, hey for the money I can get a CZ.

 

I put it down to Sig and Beretta.  The Sig was slimer and lighter, but I did not like the sights, the trigger or the grip. The Sigs trigger had a longer gritter pull over the dozen I handled, kinda like a gritty tooth paste.  The Beretta held a couple more shots had a shorter smoother trigger, better sights, and  the forestrap and backstrap had verticle serations for a better grip and was not that much wider.  



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I plan on shooting a .380 this weekend.. I hope it's something I can grip easy, and get comfortable with.

This is something I plan on keeping around the house. I'm sure it's a lot better then mace!

 



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just dont be affraid to try different calibers find one you can control very well that fits your hands well and everything will be fine.
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Originally posted by Stephanie Stephanie wrote:

Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

 

Stephanie I worry about you at times 

 

Here are a few reason I asked these questions.For a man this situation would be handled a lot better then how a women would handle it..Unlike the women that found the guy in her closet and shot him!  

 

Right?  "unless she is trained for this kind of stuff"

 

Every night what goes through my mind is what would I do if someone did brake in?!?!?

 

May be stupid, but real concerns!

 

  • Do I go for the gun?
  • Do I stay put "don't move"
  • Call 911  That's a givin I would do that any ways!
  • Do I hide? <----Yeah right I see that happening.
  • Exit the house?

 What would be a safe move..

 

 

 

 

You have to plan for a couple of ways to handle things.  The biggest thing is to get things handled quickly. Where you are at in the house and what you are doing will affect your responce.

 

Let's start with some light reading: The Truth About Self-Protection by Massad Ayoob,

Family Protection Guide by Craig Fox Huber from Wolfe Publishing, Affordable Security by Steven Hampton from Paladin-press.  Read this stuff, then progess to Jeff Cooper 

 

Now, you need to make up some check lists so you can put a plan in place.  The Real basic parts of it are detection and buying time.  You need time to respond.  You need to map out your points of entry.  You need to map out choke points.  Take a look at the shots you need to practice. Can you lock things down and set up "fire" walls or a safe room? 

 

For example a solid core bedroom door with an extra lock and a peep hole combined with a  couple of lights in the hall that you control from inside the bedroom is a fort in most places.  A simple motion detector night light in a hall is a big help.  A simple wedge for the door is a big help.  

 

 

 

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Haven't read all the post on this tread, but I agree with silvers last post.  Get informed before bad thing happen, under stand what you can do, what you are capable of doing, think things through and then practice that.  A plan that is not drilled is not used. Think of all options while you have a clear and focused mind, practice it until in the fog of trouble its second nature.  Thats the only way to stay healthly when things go south.  Trust me on this, I know from first hand experience.  I'm not a fan of a .380, stupid people may think you can't hurt them with it, forcing you to shoot them.  I like something that is going to make the crazed biker think you are bigger and badder than he is.

12 Ga. pump all the way.  Police forces use them not as much for firepower but the physiological firepower it brings to the table. At any rate use what you feel comfortable with.  The key is to know what your going to do before bad thing happen and follow that plan.



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One of the other things that you need to do is get an understanding of your "threat level."   Let me give some examples:

 1) A general concern about theft

2)) A defined concern like I have a big collection guns that someone would steal.

3) A more directed personal concern such as a manager in company with labor problems, A person holding elected office,  or someone who has higher profile such as a local TV personality.

4) A person who has had a threat made against them, such as the "crazy ex"

5) A person with some sort of special need, such as a bank manager, doctor, or pharmacist.

 

These people all have protectives need that differ.  Which means the answer to their problems differ. As you can define the problem then it is eaiser to work with thought the cost may be greater. As the problem is defined then the answer can be tailored to it.

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Stephanie,

 

I'm going to offer you the very best advice I can on "what does a girl do?"

 

I want you, since you are obviously very concerned with the situation, to go see Bill Davison at TacPro Shooting Center.

 

I have never, ever, met anyone more qualified AND adept at training for personal protection than Bill.

This man operates in a no hype BS free environment completely dedicated to making certain you as a student understand exactly how these things are dealt with.

 

I would willingly trust the man with my life.   Moreover I would implicitly trust Bill with the lives of my family.

 

The only other man I would trust in such manner is the guy you met this morning.

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OH and SILVER, if you read more carefully, you would see that your lashing is unnessasary like you sir!!  Take a class on "legal" barrel length.. In most states it reads 18".. If you care to quote me on my , I stated 18.25"..  go look or come back with more....................................

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Mike hit the nail on the head.  Plenty of places to go down there in Texas, and soak in the knowledge.  Not a big fan of 9mm.  Being a woman the slim grip of a nice single stack 1911 might fit your hand really well.  Mine is loaded with 165gr +P Power Ball's, leaving the barrel at 1225 fps.  Feeds like FMJ ammo expands like a hollowpoint.  Went out shooting steel and holy f*ck those rounds made a louder ting than 230gr FMJ PMC rounds.  A bright flashlight, Surefire G2 is my choice.  I would never ever go room to room to see what that bump in the night was, unless I had kids (which I don't) in another room, in which I would go straight to their room.  You'll have no idea who or how many perps are in you house.  My plan, grab the gun, flashlight and phone, dial 911 and defend myself if necissary.  Mike said it best though, if they go in then you already failed the first rule of home defense, keeping your home secure.

 

If you want a long gun I'd say a nice 20gauge shotgun loaded with #4 shot alternated every other rounds with 3/4 ounce slugs will do ya pretty darn good down the hallway.  Not a lot of recoil and plenty of knockdown in close quarters.



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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

 18.25"  patterns allittle better  at 10 feet than 4".. 

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This statement as written can be read to say that an 18.25 inch pattern at 10 feet is better than 4 inch (pattern).  Sir, it was your wording (or lack of) that confussed the issue.

 

The law governing barrel lenght is federal, whatever state law is in addition to federal law.  The BAFTE would be happy to send you a copy of the law and how the courts understand that part of the law.  It makes for interesting reading. Please note, that the law, as written, the 18 inches is AFTER the chamber.

 

It is a lot easier to work some over time and get a factory barrel, than to have to deal with all the issues you get from cutting the barrel yourself.  We get back to the 200 dollar a hour legal fees.  Ya, you might save a hundred bucks, but do you want to be jacked around by the cops, the DA, all at 200 dollars an hour?  Maybe an extra day in jail while it all gets straightened up, at 200 dollars an hour?

  

Sooner or later most cops get sued because somebody did not like their treatment. It is a free country and people can and do sue with or without cause.  Ask them who they got to defend them and how much it cost.

 

I have advised people that they should be a as legal as possable.  You don't want the hole getting any deeper than you have to. Sometimes that may mean taking some extra steps.  We keep becoming a more and more "oprah" nation. If you are not there yet,locally, you are only one or two election cycles from it.

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At "inside the house" ranges, a 20 gauge will work as well as a 12 gauge with a lot less recoil.  Important, if there is a lady "behind the wheel."

 

The .380 is an "iffy" caliber.  A .357, .40, or .45 provides a lot more stopping power.  If you choose an automatic, be sure to hold on tight.  They can (and do) jam when held with a loose hold by an inexperienced shooter.

 

A Smith & Wesson Model 60 3" .357 revolver with adjustable sights is a good, reliable gun for a small hand, and has great stopping power.  If you are planning on a small, light, inexpensive gun for pocket carry (concealed carry permit), it's hard to beat a Kel-Tec .32 with Winchester silvertips.  

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Originally posted by Longhunter Longhunter wrote:

 

 

The .380 is an "iffy" caliber.  A .357, .40, or .45 provides a lot more stopping power.  If you choose an automatic, be sure to hold on tight.  They can (and do) jam when held with a loose hold by an inexperienced shooter.

 

A Smith & Wesson Model 60 3" .357 revolver with adjustable sights is a good, reliable gun for a small hand, and has great stopping power.  If you are planning on a small, light, inexpensive gun for pocket carry (concealed carry permit), it's hard to beat a Kel-Tec .32 with Winchester silvertips.  

 

    Have you ever shot something at night in an enclosed space with a 3" .357?  The gap of a revolver really adds to the problem.  The extra powder that is not getting burned makes things even worst. You wind up flash banging yourself.

 

A lot of women can not handle the extra spring weights of a .40 or.45 slide.  They lack the up body strenght.  Your basic .380, 9mm, or .38 is the upper limit for a lot of women until they have had a lot of training. Those may be "iffy" calibers, but all handgun calibers are iffy.

 

+1 on the Kel-tec, Same for 20 gauge

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"Have you ever shot something at night in an enclosed space with a 3" .357?"

 

I have.

 

Given the circumstance I didn't feel the recoil, see the muzzle blast or hear the discharge.

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