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Like most people in the military, their lives depend on optics and firearms...

 

For a civilian that was facing a life or death situation, and you only had one chance to make the right choice

No matter what the price is!

 

Which gun and rifle would you put on the line?

 

Which scope would you choice??

 

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what are we doing with the choices, are we defending our homes or are we being put out in the field with a platoon??
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This would be your home, family and all the things around you that you love dearly...

 

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h&k usp 45 nice fit in my smaller hands, open sights.

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Mossberg 500 persuader with 00 buck - just the ticket for repelling boarders!

p.s. no scope required

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Hello Stephanie for CQ defense it would be a AK74 M 5.45  with a S&B short dot and a Bizon 7.62x25MM on the side.
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Goddess, I think the best weapon to defend my home would be a 12ga. shotgun and buckshot.

 

Are you looking to "gear up"??

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Stephanie; Glocks, H&K USP's, Colt AR15's and H&K 91. I've got choices and I am quite comfortable. Also Garand, M1911 and BHP, too. They all work. As for as optics, none on these guns, brick sh*thouses don't have glass windows. Remy 870 for spray and pray. Handguns are always the last choice.

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Reminton 870 with 18" barrel, 7 shot, Surefire weapn light, loaded with #1 buckshot.
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Mossberg 9200 Jungle Gun 12 ga with birdshot field loads....Vang Comp Rem 870 with Surefire is also available but that will be heading back to Hans for some sight work (f/s replacement).
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MP5 with an aimpoint, with full spray switch

 

If my target was armored I would go with an FN P90

 

[I have never even seen either of them, but I just can't pass up the chance to pick a sub-machinegun]



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Hello Stephanie !!  Anybody answering this question for the lady that recomends the 12ga. has nailed it!!  IMO !!!  An autoloading 12ga. , ya just point and shoot will clear anybodies nightmares from the room or doorway and it stays basicly in the house!!!  If your mother-inlaw lives next-door she will like it also..  and besides, when you just wake up who wants to or can see your invader that well to take carefull aim at him or her????  Just remember what your families sillohuette looks like..

 

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The Mossberg Persuader can be had in 20 gauge as well for those who might like a slimmer gun/less recoil.  Birdshot OK for close in work (my preference in birdshot would be #2 or BB) if over penetration a concern. other wise stick to 2 3/4,  00 Buck.  Federal makes reduced recoil loads  - like geting hit with nine 9mm rounds.

 

Most of the time that big hole in the end pointed in the right direction should disuade a fight!

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One firearm for anything ? A 12ga 870 will do well for short range; slugs for big stuff, birdshot for birds, buckshot for 2 or 4 legged varmits, but I'd take a rifle as I like a bit more reach. A .223 is attractive as you can carry more ammo and still handle most things that you'd be likely to run into, but I'm partial to the 30.06 as it handles varmits to bear, and I used it on the target range for a few years. On the range you pretty much use a Model 70 if aren't shooting service rifle, so I'm partial to that too. Aperture sights were fine for working up loads, letting me tell the difference between sub MOA and MOA plus loads, it worked fine on the range out to 600 yards, but my eyes aren't as good as they use to be up close so I'd probably use a scope. The scope would probably be the one that I just received in the mail this week, a Sightron S2 1.5-6, as I don't want to give up the close shots (the scope focuses really close, even better than I expected) or the instant target aquisition that I'm use to from using aperure sights. 

 

 

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1.  If the fight is both inside and outside the house (a mob, for example):

     Mini-14 with 30-round clips and a Weaver Grand Slam 1.75-5x scope.

 

2.  Inside the house:

     Glock 23 (.40 caliber) with large capacity mags, and laser sight if my wife is doing the shooting.

 

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Steph,

For me, I use a Glock 23.  For a woman other than my wife, I mean one that can't shoot. I go with Mwyates.  Normally a rack of the slide will get most folks to turn tail.  If I didn't have to be concerned about the law suites afterwards a supressed MP5 with sub-sonic rounds. Why hurt your ears, even with your mouth open, jaw jutted out and screamin' like a banchee you'll loose your ability to hear after a couple rounds in a hallway. Oh, and empty the weapon, one round right between the eyes means your going to the big house. 



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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

Hello Stephanie !!  Anybody answering this question for the lady that recomends the 12ga. has nailed it!!  IMO !!!  An autoloading 12ga. , ya just point and shoot will clear anybodies nightmares from the room or doorway and it stays basicly in the house!!!  If your mother-inlaw lives next-door she will like it also..  and besides, when you just wake up who wants to or can see your invader that well to take carefull aim at him or her????  Just remember what your families sillohuette looks like..

 

 Hot 30

 

It don't work quite that way.  At ten feet your pattern will be about an inch.  At twenty feet it still is about 4".  If you use some sort of NFA shotgun then, you get some manuverablity.  Your pattern will open up, but at close quaters is still pretty small. You have the NFA hassle to be legal.  Auto gauges in NFA are finicky, high maintaince problem children from the ones I have seen. Something like a 14" 870 with a flashlight forend, and Ghost rings is a better choice.

 

Any  non -NFA shotgun is too long to work up close.  You end up with the thing pointed at your toes most of the time. Now If you have some sort of "fort" made up of some patio blocks glued to some plywood like a sort of police shield and can keep an area covered with the shotgun ok...



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Originally posted by Stephanie Stephanie wrote:

Like most people in the military, their lives depend on optics and firearms...

 

For a civilian that was facing a life or death situation, and you only had one chance to make the right choice

No matter what the price is!

 

Which gun and rifle would you put on the line?

 

Which scope would you choice??

 

 

A better AK, I want some thing that can saw up a car.  I want car suppresion on the driver

 A Valmet or othe AK varient would be ok, IF YOU COULD FIND ONE.  A FAL would warrent points too.  You can find the FAL and mags now. 

 

My freinds who collect exotic firearms have let me use some of the "industry standards" like the MP-5, UZI, Thompson, Sten, AUG, MP-38, MP-40, and M-4. For inside the house I would want the UZI, but like the MP-5 better overall.   

 

No scope, but dot or night vision would get points. Flash light forends rule

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Originally posted by Stephanie Stephanie wrote:

Which gun and rifle would you put on the line?

 

 

 

After looking at this, your statement would imply two fireams is that correct? 



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hey SILVER, 12ga. works for me..  I didnt see anything in Stephanies question about sawing up the bad guys car??

                 See ya in the forum, HOT 30

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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

hey SILVER, 12ga. works for me..  I didnt see anything in Stephanies question about sawing up the bad guys car??

                 See ya in the forum, HOT 30

 

There were some neighbors that were into free enterprise pharma distributership recently... 

 

So you have to understand concealement  verses cover  so by denying other people cover you change the tactical situation. So with the wheel man gone and the cops coming what would you do?



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Why worry about NFA if your in the middle of the street sawing up cars??  I didnt know  Stephanies situation was in the middle of the street.. Her question, IMO was rather generic in context, tipycal.. unless you have more details on her delema than I do..  18.25"  patterns allittle better  at 10 feet than 4"..  Where does the conceilmant come into play??

 

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Originally posted by hot30 hot30 wrote:

Why worry about NFA if your in the middle of the street sawing up cars??  I didnt know  Stephanies situation was in the middle of the street.. Her question, IMO was rather generic in context, tipycal.. unless you have more details on her delema than I do..  18.25"  patterns allittle better  at 10 feet than 4"..  Where does the conceilmant come into play??

 

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Your the one making things up about being outside in the middle of the street, not me...

 

I can work this as urban, suburban, or rural.  It still workes out to speed, shock and violence of action.   If you can suppress the cover then you can suppress the fire.

 

I've patterned my shotguns with OO and # 4 buck.  I been in classes where patterning was a part of the class and watched other shooters patterns from regular guns and NFA guns. YMMV 

 

If you do not understand concealment or cover, then I can not expect you to understand movement either. 

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