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If you only could get one chance to Elk hunt where would you try to go. Just to get a Tag it would likely have to be a Private hunt. The chances of getting a Elk tag in Oklahoma is close to 1 in 5 million. A lot of the guided fenced hunts are more like picking a cow in a pasture. I would prefer to get the essence of a real hunt. Is this possible any more within a reasonable cost. Then another question is what is the reasonable cost for such a hunt. This would include the guide tip.
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If I only had one chance, I would either go to the Kaibab region in AZ or the Gila N.F. in NM.  Those areas produce more 350+ class bulls than any other region in the nation.  It's hard to get tags for those areas, though, part of the reason why the bulls get so big there.
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 Yep,northern NM.  What's the name of that indian reservation that outfits for elk?  BIG elk!
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Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.

Out of state liscences are 151 dollars.  Out of state elk tag is 595 dollars.  Chance of getting drawn in 6A, which is a very good unit, is about 1 in 9 for bull.  Getting drawn for a cow tag is better than 50 percent.  I've gotten cow tags 3 years in a row.   If you apply and dont get drawn here in AZ you're only out a liscence fee, which is 151 dollars.  
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Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.

Out of state liscences are 151 dollars.  Out of state elk tag is 595 dollars.  Chance of getting drawn in 6A, which is a very good unit, is about 1 in 9 for bull.  Getting drawn for a cow tag is better than 50 percent.  I've gotten cow tags 3 years in a row.   If you apply and dont get drawn here in AZ you're only out a liscence fee, which is 151 dollars.  
 
So "they" keep the $151 dollars and give you a "license" that really isn't good for anything, since you didn't get a tag?    OOOOKAY...sounds like common theft to me.
 
I can sorta understand a ten or fifteen dollar fee to cover application costs, but that's insane.
 
I'd just buy an over-the counter cow tag in Colorado before I'd ever do that, anyday. Probably more elk and more places to hunt in Colorado anyway, though certainly not as many big bulls, if that's your goal. Personally, I really like having a cow tag in my pocket!
 
Course, I've got kids to feed, probably couldn't afford a shoulder mount, and don't have a single interior wall that's really big enough to display one, anyway!
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.

Out of state liscences are 151 dollars.  Out of state elk tag is 595 dollars.  Chance of getting drawn in 6A, which is a very good unit, is about 1 in 9 for bull.  Getting drawn for a cow tag is better than 50 percent.  I've gotten cow tags 3 years in a row.   If you apply and dont get drawn here in AZ you're only out a liscence fee, which is 151 dollars.  
 
So "they" keep the $151 dollars and give you a "license" that really isn't good for anything, since you didn't get a tag?    OOOOKAY...sounds like common theft to me.
 
I can sorta understand a ten or fifteen dollar fee to cover application costs, but that's insane.
 
I'd just buy an over-the counter cow tag in Colorado before I'd ever do that, anyday. Probably more elk and more places to hunt in Colorado anyway, though certainly not as many big bulls, if that's your goal. Personally, I really like having a cow tag in my pocket!
 
Course, I've got kids to feed, probably couldn't afford a shoulder mount, and don't have a single interior wall that's really big enough to display one, anyway!
That makes sense.  I was just trying to offer up the only elk hunting knowledge that I had.  
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I'd go with Eastern Washington State for a big bull permit. when I live there did some hunting there and still go up camping , back packing. I've seen more big bulls in the 300 class than I have anywhere else.   
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What about Canada?
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If I didn't live in az, Utah would be my next choice. But I live here, so I have never looked into that much either. But the pics of the famed Spider Bull are enough!  Oh, if you are going to hunt Colorado, bring oxygen! I don't think they have any in that state!Bucky

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Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.

Out of state liscences are 151 dollars.  Out of state elk tag is 595 dollars.  Chance of getting drawn in 6A, which is a very good unit, is about 1 in 9 for bull.  Getting drawn for a cow tag is better than 50 percent.  I've gotten cow tags 3 years in a row.   If you apply and dont get drawn here in AZ you're only out a liscence fee, which is 151 dollars.  
 
So "they" keep the $151 dollars and give you a "license" that really isn't good for anything, since you didn't get a tag?    OOOOKAY...sounds like common theft to me.
 
I can sorta understand a ten or fifteen dollar fee to cover application costs, but that's insane.
 
I'd just buy an over-the counter cow tag in Colorado before I'd ever do that, anyday. Probably more elk and more places to hunt in Colorado anyway, though certainly not as many big bulls, if that's your goal. Personally, I really like having a cow tag in my pocket!
 
Course, I've got kids to feed, probably couldn't afford a shoulder mount, and don't have a single interior wall that's really big enough to display one, anyway!
That makes sense.  I was just trying to offer up the only elk hunting knowledge that I had.  
  I wasn't knocking your offering of that information, Coby. I'm sure a lot of guys and gals have the change in the pocket and would consider the rather high risk of losing the 151 dollar license fee, (with nothing to show for it), well worth the chance to hunt Arizona's big bulls.
 I was pretty much just griping about a State agency that grabs honest money in such a blatant manner.
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by ckk1106 ckk1106 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

Units 6a,8,&9 are good ones too hear in az. Non-resident tags and licences are pretty spendy though.

Out of state liscences are 151 dollars.  Out of state elk tag is 595 dollars.  Chance of getting drawn in 6A, which is a very good unit, is about 1 in 9 for bull.  Getting drawn for a cow tag is better than 50 percent.  I've gotten cow tags 3 years in a row.   If you apply and dont get drawn here in AZ you're only out a liscence fee, which is 151 dollars.  
 
So "they" keep the $151 dollars and give you a "license" that really isn't good for anything, since you didn't get a tag?    OOOOKAY...sounds like common theft to me.
 
I can sorta understand a ten or fifteen dollar fee to cover application costs, but that's insane.
 
I'd just buy an over-the counter cow tag in Colorado before I'd ever do that, anyday. Probably more elk and more places to hunt in Colorado anyway, though certainly not as many big bulls, if that's your goal. Personally, I really like having a cow tag in my pocket!
 
Course, I've got kids to feed, probably couldn't afford a shoulder mount, and don't have a single interior wall that's really big enough to display one, anyway!
That makes sense.  I was just trying to offer up the only elk hunting knowledge that I had.  
  I wasn't knocking your offering of that information, Coby. I'm sure a lot of guys and gals have the change in the pocket and would consider the rather high risk of losing the 151 dollar license fee, (with nothing to show for it), well worth the chance to hunt Arizona's big bulls.
 I was pretty much just griping about a State agency that grabs honest money in such a blatant manner.
Understood.
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 Yep,northern NM.  What's the name of that indian reservation that outfits for elk?  BIG elk!

Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation, near Chama.
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Price for a one time chance is not the biggest limiting factor. Respectable size will be ok. Not looking to be B&C record. Just need to get off my butt before time runs out. If I keep saying "One day.", it may never get done. So a plan needs to be set and organized. Now! Charma would be OK it is only 12 hr away. It might be better to have one of the guides get a tag if that would help get past the license issue if it bust out.

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Colorado or wyoming I think have land owner tags, maybe Montana,too. Az is strickly by lottery draw, at least as far as I am aware. I know tags are non-transferable here, except in cases of extreame circumstance. And then only to next of kin.
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  That's it,Ted!!!  Read of some awesome hunts there.
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Mossback outfitters has a nice website that shows hunting areas and draw opportunities.  They have guided hunters to two bulls at or around 400 the last two years--I think on public land to top it off.

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Mossback outfitters are something else.  I hunt in the areas they do which are public land.  They have people go around and threaten any public hunters and tell them to get out of their area.  That is how they got the spider bull.  They boxed him in an area with a whole bunch of people and then kept everyone else from even getting near him.    A lady I work withs son was also hunting for the spider bull at the same time and everytime he would get even close to him a whole bunch of moss guys would show up and threaten him and chase him off.   Doyle Moss is a real piece of work.

They hire people just to chase off other hunters and threaten them.  I have personally had it done to me.  I just told them to kiss my ass and if they thought they were big enough to stop me they could go ahead and try.  
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I bet they then spooked everything in the area away from you. The gang mentality moves to the woods.
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Thats exactly what they do. 

I was not even hunting, my dad and I were just up spotting and hiking for elk and deer one day before the hunts started.  These two guys walked up to us and asked what we were doing here.  We told them just looking for elk and deer and one of them said this is our area and you need to move on.  My dad said this is public land and we can be here if we want.  One of them said you need to leave or else.  So I asked if that was a threat and he just stared me down.  So I said what I typed above and we walked on.  
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The only thing that will get them out is for another gang to move in. Then after a few get shot at the more vicious gang will survive. It would be nice to invite a Federal Marshal to hunt with you.

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You do that type of activity here in Montana, there are several outcome, and neither is good for the guy that did the threatening.

Montana has some awesome elk hunting.  But tags are hard to get, and very expensive for out of state.  I pay 20 or so for and elk tag.  I think out of state pays 600 or so.  An outfitter sponsored tag (guarenteed) are about 1500 for deer/elk combo.  I can say that the outfitter I worked for, it was a real hunt.  We knew general areas they moved, but that was it.  And the public was welcome up there.
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helo18, what kinda price was the outfitter charging on top of the guaranteed sponsor tag for the deer/elk combo?
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Copy on that question asked by SChunter.
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Originally posted by SChunter SChunter wrote:

helo18, what kinda price was the outfitter charging on top of the guaranteed sponsor tag for the deer/elk combo?


$4800 for rifle, includes the $1500 outfitter sponsored tag.  He also has prices for 7 day and 10 day archery hunts.

http://www.beavercreekoutfitting.com/site/welcome-to-our-elk-mule-deer-hunting-website.html

That is the link to the outfitter I worked for.  The new owner I would still highly recommend.  The outfitter I was working for was 76 and decided it was time to get out.  I wish I had the money to buy it from him, but I didn't.  The guy that did buy it, is a great guy.



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